I personally think this is going to be the next ME and Vista. I was a loyal Windows user all the way from 95 until Windows 7. Even with it's quirks, I always loved Windows. Windows 8 is truthfully the first version of Windows I don't like. I don't like how they take out the Start menu and replace it with the retarded start screen. The first time I tested it out, I thought it was some kind of sick joke. When my last PC broke, that was all I needed to go and get a Mac. I am running Mountain Lion (the latest release) and couldn't be happier. As someone who is going to school for IT, this is going to give me a lot of grey hairs. What are your thoughts on Windows 8? General release is October 26th.
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I generally like it, but don't like the direction they're headed in. I'm against the blending of mobile and desktop interfaces. It's impossible to make an interface that's perfect for both scenarios, and compromises have to be made. It should have a selectable dual interface, and people can use what they're most comfortable with. They're also pushing towards the walled garden a la Apple, and that's the absolute wrong way to go. If the user doesn't have control of the computer, and the software it runs, that means the company does, and that's unacceptable.
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I agree with you. It should be a choice, but no, Microsoft is shoving it down everyone's throat. Maybe this is good for a tablet, but not for a regular PC or laptop. Linux has it's benefits as well, but after testing it extensively I just found it wasn't for me. Most of my favorite software doesn't run on Linux and I just found it to be too high maintenance. I like the idea of Linux, however, and I think it definitely has it's placeComment
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You might expect more from a computer than it really delivers, if you have problems with Win after 95 or maybe 98.
A couple of years ago I bought two old-ish top-of the line business laptops from a bankrupt company (very cheaply), they run Vista and I have really no complaints other than insufficient disk space for todays needs, which I solved by buying a few USB hard drives. I definitely do not see any reason to change the operating software. BUT... I only work with the computer all day long
meaning it´s completely good for professional use, but might be inadequate for the hobbyists. My kids complained a lot about the second unit (identical with my primary for redundancy) until they learned which games it plays and which it does not... Or maybe because I did not give their accounts on the machine enough rights to meddle 
IMO the most useful innovation in many years was the fingerprint starter. No passwords, that´s what I like
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How is Linux high maintenance? Having administered all sorts of machines most *nix boxes are the least of my worries.
And what is your favorite software that did not exist on Linux?
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Never mind Windows 8, OS X Mountain Lion just came out :-PComment
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Vulpes, plus one to that, definitely I'm glad I'm not the only Machead on this forum. Devillock76, to answer your question as to how Linux is high maintenance, let's see, installing applications can be a chore. Especially one that require dependencies. Also, with Linux, I notice you remove even one thing, like Evolution in GNOME, suddenly, GNOME is unusable. And my favorite applications that are not available on Linux? Microsoft Office and iTunes are big ones. WINE or Crossover Office don't cut it either. And I'm sorry, OpenOffice doesn't have anywhere near the functionality Microsoft Office has and I've tried the popular multimedia apps for Linux such as Amarok and Songbird, and compared to iTunes they suck. Sure, iTunes has had it's minor issues, but it's been my music player of choice for many years now and it does what I need to do. iPhone syncing on Linux is also finicky at best. As I said though, Linux is great for many uses, but it just didn't work out for me.
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Anybody try this on a virtual machine? The last few big projects I've worked on required mobile functionality to some degree and it seems like this is a big focal point of Win8. I haven't looked at it yet so I could be wrong. I don't want to "pollute" a physical machine with it. We have Hyper-V server but I have no idea how it will play with Windows 8. Just installed Visual Studio 2012 today and I believe they have improved the mobile app development tools.Comment
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I have installed this in VMWare without any problemsComment
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That's good to hear. I'll try to convince the powers that be to set one up for our dev team.Originally posted by dman21Comment
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I have the preview installed in VirtualBox. If you use something like that, disable pointer integration. Otherwise, it's a PITA to use its active corners.
Regarding GNU/Linux and maintenance...
The package manager should take care of all the dependencies. The only time I've had dependency issues is compiling from source, and that's a rare occurrence. Gnome(or any other DE) shouldn't break by removing a peripheral package. I got rid of Evolution easily. As far as software selection goes, that's personal preference. I won't allow anything Apple on my system, and wouldn't use MS Office if it were given to me. Apple doesn't work well with GNU/Linux because they make proprietary products that intentionally restrict the users so they get locked into Apple's system. Apple makes mysterious black boxes and don't allow the examination of their systems. They take farther than MS ever did, and now MS is trying to imitate them. A disgusting practice.
This is a lengthy, and worthwhile video to watch, especially for someone interested in computer science. It's somewhat related to the topic at hand, more specifically regarding non-free software, and especially related to Apple, and their devices.
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I am going to attempt a system build sometime this fall and from a quick research scan it looks like Ubuntu could be a nightmare with Canon software. It looks like Creative Suite 5 is fine but I do not want to get into any headaches right off the bat. If Windows 8 has a OEM version , then that is what I will forced to use I guess. Really did not want to add a $139 bucks to the build and really do not care about any operating systems (FREE always sounds good to me) but I am not a programmer and do not need the frustration.Comment
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If it were me, I'd look into switching to libre software. It may or may not work for you, but it'll give you something to play with, and give you a potential out from being chained to proprietary software companies. Having my livelihood hinge on the whims of a single entity would make me uncomfortable. I've been there, and it isn't cool.Originally posted by truthwolf1Comment
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thanks for the tip.Originally posted by lxskllrComment
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I call BS on installing difficulty let us take the two major distros...Originally posted by dman21Vulpes, plus one to that, definitely I'm glad I'm not the only Machead on this forum. Devillock76, to answer your question as to how Linux is high maintenance, let's see, installing applications can be a chore. Especially one that require dependencies. Also, with Linux, I notice you remove even one thing, like Evolution in GNOME, suddenly, GNOME is unusable. And my favorite applications that are not available on Linux? Microsoft Office and iTunes are big ones. WINE or Crossover Office don't cut it either. And I'm sorry, OpenOffice doesn't have anywhere near the functionality Microsoft Office has and I've tried the popular multimedia apps for Linux such as Amarok and Songbird, and compared to iTunes they suck. Sure, iTunes has had it's minor issues, but it's been my music player of choice for many years now and it does what I need to do. iPhone syncing on Linux is also finicky at best. As I said though, Linux is great for many uses, but it just didn't work out for me.
Debian/ubuntu based:
apt-get install software
Fedora/Redhat
yum install software
Same command could install all of OpenOffice which is a far cry easier than the MS Office install. And those are command line examples not even using gui package manager.
Hell even Arch Linux is as simple as: pacman -S software
Even freebsd ports tree will handle dependencies as well.
Itunes works in Wine, I know, I have done it. But I also hate Itunes.
Amarok is OK, I like Rhythmbox better, but more often I need to have professional DJ features so I use MIXXX, which is just impossible to compare to Itunes as it is another league.
OpenOffice is just one option, and really everyone is moving to the fork LibreOffice. But there is also AbiWord.
Really I was wondering if there was some very unique software that was missing. But OK you know for the price tag difference it is obvious where the advantage is.... Linux.
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