'We Do' Campaign: Gay Couples In The South Apply For Marriage Licenses, Get Rejected

[truthwolf1]

On the other, more cheerful hand, if they win against Christianity, they will just leave more room to Sharia.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...n-meeting-cath

[Zimobog]

Wait. So since Muslims have more children than Westerners, queers can't get married? I am a hetero male, and have two kids. Jodie Foster is a queer woman with two kids. I don't understand why any of this Sharia stuff pertains to queer marriage. I would think radical Muslims and queers would be at even greater odds than with radical Christians.

[OregonNative]

I'm not gay, but I believe if two people want to get married (same sex or not), they should be allowed to do so. I imagine in another 10-20 years, gay marriage will be accepted all over the United States.

[OregonNative]

Same thing could be sayed aboat the legalisation of the mariana... But you know what? We changed that!

The Grape States of Washington and Colarado making the herstory for the rest of the worlds!!

I've never been more proud to be a Cascadian! We are leading the way for this country brother.

[whalen]

Care to explain how a non-human animal can legally consent to a contract of marriage?

What happens in Wyoming stays in Wyoming!

[Crow]

I've never been more proud to be a Cascadian! We are leading the way for this country brother.

Damn right, bróðir!

[truthwolf1]

Wait. So since Muslims have more children than Westerners, queers can't get married? I am a hetero male, and have two kids. Jodie Foster is a queer woman with two kids. I don't understand why any of this Sharia stuff pertains to queer marriage. I would think radical Muslims and queers would be at even greater odds than with radical Christians.

With obvious growing numbers of muslim immigrants it will be interesting to see how quickly they will assimilate with our modern western family values. In MN you can walk anywhere today and spot a Muslim (mostly Somalian/Ethiopian). In time this will be a very large voting block which will also have leaders in our political system and will create God knows what type of legislation.

Gay marriage laws could very well outlast and live side by side with this coming demographic but when half of our own population is still on the fence on this issue I believe we are still in the very early stages of full acceptability.

Ron Paul actually opened my eye's on this topic that even though I do not agree with gay marriage it really is not FREE thinking to tell others how to live their lives.



Homosexual relations are a crime and face punishment in some Islamic countries such as Saudi Arabia, or Islamic Republics such as Iran. The death penalty is currently in place in Saudi Arabia,Iran, Mauritania, northern Nigeria, Sudan, and Yemen.^[33][34] It formerly carried the death penalty in Afghanistan under the Taliban, but subsequently has changed from a capital crime to one that is punished with fines and a prison sentence.
The legal situation in the United Arab Emirates is unclear. In many Muslim nations, such as Bahrain, Qatar, Algeria, Uzbekistan and the Maldives, homosexuality is punished with jail time, fines, or corporal punishment. This has led to controversy regarding Qatar, which is due to stage the 2022 FIFA World Cup. Human rights groups have questioned the awarding in 2010 of the right to host the competition, due to the possibility that gay football fans may be jailed. In response, Sepp Blatter, head of FIFA, joked that they would have to "refrain from sexual activity" while in Qatar. He later withdrew the remarks after condemnation from rights groups.^[35]
In Saudi Arabia, while the maximum punishment for homosexual acts is public execution, the government will generally use lesser punishments—e.g., fines, jail time, and whipping—as alternatives, unless it feels that individuals are challenging state authority by engaging in LGBT social movements.^[36] Iran is perhaps the nation to execute the largest number of its citizens for homosexual acts. Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, the Iranian government has executed more than 4,000 such people.^[37]
In Egypt, openly gay men have been prosecuted under general public morality laws. (See Cairo 52.) On the other hand, homosexuality, while not legal, is tolerated to some extent in Lebanon.
In some Muslim-majority nations, such as Albania, Turkey, Jordan, Indonesia or Mali, same-sex intercourse is not forbidden by law, and in Albania there has been discussions of legalizing same-sex marriage.
Most international human rights organizations, such as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, condemn laws that make homosexual relations between consenting adults a crime. Since 1994, the United Nations Human Rights Committee has also ruled that such laws violate the right to privacy guaranteed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. However, most Muslim nations (except for Turkey), insist that such laws are necessary to preserve Islamic morality and virtue. Of the nations with a majority of Muslim inhabitants, Lebanon has an internal effort to legalize homosexuality.^[38]

[Zimobog]

Truthwolf1,
Ron Paul is pretty kewl. Look, I think I see what you are driving at but the two issues don't seem to be related to me at all. Growing numbers of Muslims doesn't have much to do with queer marriage imo. I just don't see it.

What I would say about the demographic shift is that the democracy must be avoided at all costs in favor of pure ideological libertarianism. If everyone has the same rights, and no one can pass laws over someone else's life, property, or money than what harm is there in having large voting blocks? The power that the mob currently wields is what is dangerous, and a system that gives a majority mob of 51% over the directions given to armed thugs is dangerous to freedom. Of course, the US was never intended to be a "democracy".

[Bigblue1]

Truthwolf1,
Ron Paul is pretty kewl. Look, I think I see what you are driving at but the two issues don't seem to be related to me at all. Growing numbers of Muslims doesn't have much to do with queer marriage imo. I just don't see it.

What I would say about the demographic shift is that the democracy must be avoided at all costs in favor of pure ideological libertarianism. If everyone has the same rights, and no one can pass laws over someone else's life, property, or money than what harm is there in having large voting blocks? The power that the mob currently wields is what is dangerous, and a system that gives a majority mob of 51% over the directions given to armed thugs is dangerous to freedom. Of course, the US was never intended to be a "democracy".

Yep it's like 2 wolves and a sheep deciding on what to eat for dinner......

[SnusoMatic]

Ron Paul actually opened my eye's on this topic that even though I do not agree with gay marriage it really is not FREE thinking to tell others how to live their lives.

You're right about that but government should not be involved in marriage.

I am not "for" true gay marriage but truly I don't have to spend time thinking about it. God will do what God will do and just because man says "this" is marriage don't mean a thing. For those who don't believe in God keep in mind this is my opinion. Government can't regulate what is Gods domain.

Everyone should have the same rights in this country as long as they are not effecting others. Since gay folks are not causing anyone else problems then they should have the same rights as anyone else. If government wants to hand out contracts between two people and call it marriage then fine and dandy with me. I seriously believe under our law everyone is (should be) equal.

Off subject but being a Christian a lot of churches bug me. They mix Americanism with Christianity like they go hand in hand like mom and apple pie. Obviously, gay marriage and Christianity don't mix although some say it does. Many churches fly the flag, sing God bless America, praise our military, and play politics in church. There is not one word in the Bible saying to do those type things. Plus Jesus even said (in my words) Give God his and government theirs. Then for example, I see Christians in Iran being treated like dirt but as a country Iran is our foe. Since those Iranian Christians are just that "Iranian" those churches have made their own Christan brothers and sisters their "church" enemy. Jesus hung out with, how do is say this, the lower class folks. Yet, those same churches that fly the flag and praise the military treat gays like they have the plague. On one hand they claim to be Christian, on another they mix government in the Church and preach Constitution, yet on another they want to deny rights to gay people.

Sorry for the sermon. The fact is, I belong to Christian forums as well as snuson. Sometimes I give my honest opinion like above on Christan forums. When I do I can expect to be blasted to smithereens by them. But let me add that not all Christians are like that.

I guess I am saying that to non-believers the Bible does not teach us to be what our stereotype has become. It is OK (and condoned by God) to treat everyone the way you would want to be treated and not believe Biblical gay marriage is possible. It is not a sell-out to want everyone treated the same, it is Biblical.

I have said my peace for today ;-)

Amen

[SnusoMatic]

Truthwolf1,
Ron Paul is pretty kewl. Look, I think I see what you are driving at but the two issues don't seem to be related to me at all. Growing numbers of Muslims doesn't have much to do with queer marriage imo. I just don't see it.

What I would say about the demographic shift is that the democracy must be avoided at all costs in favor of pure ideological libertarianism. If everyone has the same rights, and no one can pass laws over someone else's life, property, or money than what harm is there in having large voting blocks? The power that the mob currently wields is what is dangerous, and a system that gives a majority mob of 51% over the directions given to armed thugs is dangerous to freedom. Of course, the US was never intended to be a "democracy".

I agree with you on that!

[Crow]

Can't we all just get a bong?

[Snusdog]

It gives new meaning to the term 'doggy style"

now hold on a damn minute

[truthwolf1]

Truthwolf1,
Ron Paul is pretty kewl. Look, I think I see what you are driving at but the two issues don't seem to be related to me at all. Growing numbers of Muslims doesn't have much to do with queer marriage imo. I just don't see it.

What I would say about the demographic shift is that the democracy must be avoided at all costs in favor of pure ideological libertarianism. If everyone has the same rights, and no one can pass laws over someone else's life, property, or money than what harm is there in having large voting blocks? The power that the mob currently wields is what is dangerous, and a system that gives a majority mob of 51% over the directions given to armed thugs is dangerous to freedom. Of course, the US was never intended to be a "democracy".

It would be nice but I am afraid that the majority of both mobs has already chosen or is so brainwashed that we have already started on the path to the slaughterhouse.

What I am driving at with the muslim connection is that eventually the numbers could very well wash out slowly western culture in the far future. Maybe this does have something to do with our individuality of a "ME" culture which has been eluded to earlier. There are many muslims that do assimilate or get westernized but there are many that do not and never will. Gay marriage, womens rights, alcohol, drugs etc.. are all hot topics with this group. If you had a majority of hard line Christians in Cali, NY, VT do you really believe the gay friendly laws would pass?

After the orgies and gladiator fights of Rome we had Christian puritans hanging witches and banning tobacco. History could repeat itself.

[sgreger1]

The orgies and gladiator fights of Rome

Damn we really need to make this a thing again ^^^^