A question for swedes (non snus related)

[Thunder_Snus]

Ever since discovering snus I've been fascinated with Swedish history and culture. Odin, Thor, vikings, the left to right switch, even current culture.
Something I've been reading about a lot seems to offer different perspectives and views. I was hoping to get the perspective and opinion from someone actually living there.

What is your view on "Jantelagen?" Is it focused on as much as I've been reading, is there a current movement away from it, did it ever truly exist as a whole, was there ever a widely accepted exact defintion for it? Was driving a lexus ok to some while driving a bmw would be jante to everyone?

I guess I have the same questions in general about "Lagom." Is it still widely followed and accepted or is there a current movement away from it?


Also just how popular is snus in sweden? I have yet to come across the term in any books both old and new that I've read.

[Crow]

That reminds me of the "Seattle Freeze"... Which we blame the Norwegians (and "socially-awkward techies") for.

Swedish people would likely blame the Norwegians too............. To sum it up, Jantelagen..Seattle Freeze...It's all Norway's fault!!

[Snusdog]

Good lord......put down Sandemose.....and go read the Poetic Eddas....clear your mind.........and as you read......see if you find anything remotely resembling "Jantelagen"................then go read Nietzsche........his ubermensch has a lot to say about the followers of Jantelagen

and in this rare case......I think I would tend to side with kleinen Bruder Freddie

[Crow]

Good lord......put down Sandemose.....and go read the Poetic Eddas....clear your mind.........and as you read......see if you find anything remotely resembling "Jantelagen"................then go read Nietzsche........his ubermensch has a lot to say about the followers of Jantelagen

and in this rare case......I think I would tend to side with kleinen Bruder Freddie

Hahaha!!

Du bist ein kluger Hund!

[Thunder_Snus]

Would you mind...elaborating I have no idea what any of this means

QUOTE=Snusdog;501580]Good lord......put down Sandemose.....abcnd go read the Poetic Eddas....clear your mind.........and as you read......see if you find anything remotely resembling "Jantelagen"................then go read Nietzsche........his ubermensch has a lot to say about the followers of Jantelagen

and in this rare case......I think I would tend to side with kleinen Bruder Freddie[/QUOTE]

[tattooer601]

He means its bull shit...

[tattooer601]

Wiki the term....
It was invented in a book ....

Much of those 11 rules are like any rural town in the south..

[The Stig]

Also just how popular is snus in sweden? I have yet to come across the term in any books both old and new that I've read.

Very popular indeed. In Sweden, you can find coolers full of snus just about everywhere. when I was there a few years ago, the gift shop of the hotel we stayed at even had a cooler full of snus. The coolers are not like the ones you see here, the coolers in Sweden are about the same size as a soda cooler you'd find in a convenience store or gas station. There are a few stores in Stockholm and Gothenburg that sell nothing but snus.

you have to understand, tobacco played a large part in Scandinavian history beginning about the late 1600's. by the late 1700's every farm in Sweden had a small part of their fields growing tobacco. There's a book I received from a friend in Sweden called "In Golden Boxes" that explains the history of snus in Scandinavia. It's been out of print for over 10 years but if you can find it, it is really informative. It even goes into the creation of the Swedish Tobacco Monopoly. :-)

hope this helps!

[Crow]

Would you mind...elaborating I have no idea what any of this means

Twas a jab at my expense...











Bad dog!

[Thunder_Snus]

I understand it was just a book. I was wondering if its actually practiced. The term from what I understand seems to be a diacouragement from flaunting or boasting

[xrt]

Here in Norway, the Law of Jante is:
The ten rules state:

You're not to think you are anything special.
You're not to think you are as good as us.
You're not to think you are smarter than us.
You're not to convince yourself that you are better than us.
You're not to think you know more than us.
You're not to think you are more important than us.
You're not to think you are good at anything.
You're not to laugh at us.
You're not to think anyone cares about you.
You're not to think you can teach us anything.

Ok, so here is why I just spit in the face of people who yell this law at me, or look me in the eyes just to see if they can place the thought "JANTELOVEN" into my head, because... if no one else thinks you are anything special, or good, or that you are not a smart person, and that you can't laugh of others, then I HAVE TO THINK this about my self. And that's where this "law" becomes bullshit to me. People are walking around like a piece of square sheet paper and as soon as they see someone with a dent in the corner or some color on that paper (a different personality) they get all wired up. If no one thinks you are special, then YOU have to think you are special, is the point I want across here.

[Thunder_Snus]

So do a lot of people follow this train of thought or are more people like you.

Also what about lagom? Which I believe the principle of it is just moderation. Is that something actually widely followed or is th. Just bullshit. I was planning a trip to sweden in the future I don't want to be looked down on for seeming like I have things I don't need

[Snusdog]

Twas a jab at my expense...


Bad dog!

from smart to bad in one thread...........man this is a fickle group

no jab at you bro.........the jab was at the silly notion that mediocrity and low esteem are polite…..if the Norwegians had held this view in centuries past…………..they would all be speaking French