From Raddleman to Vulpes and beyond... some clarification.

[Reynard]

Hey guys, i know its been a while, but I thought I'd post my experiences with snus on here as a kind of explanation for the cyclical relationship I have with the forum. I value the friends I've made on SnusOn over the last 4 years or so, and my frequent lapses from not only snus but from activity here will confuse some of you. I'd thought I'd check in and mention my difficulties.

On snus, ever since I started out in Jan 2009, it's plain sailing for a few weeks or months, but then I get really bad depression, which lifts when I quit it. It's even worse when I up the dose to sterks, which I've done several times. Over the last few months I'd been reduced to using one Oliver Twist at a time, which whilst not triggering the depression, is torture, as its not enough nic to keep me satisfied.

I am on quite a lot of medication, and I suspect that my antidepressant - Venlafaxine - is responsible for this weird depressive reaction I have with what is, of course, a mild stimulant. Antidepressants can do weird things, for example if I drink a significant amount of alcohol (something I no longer do) I have a 2-week hangover, characterised by depression.

At the moment I'm chain-smoking rolling tobacco. Something that doesn't depress me, funnily enough. It's obviously not a long term plan though.

Tobacco does me so much good that my life is fairly unbearable off it. I don't mean the withdrawal, I get through that. Just the absence of what is a very powerful and beneficial agent for my condition (big pharma are currently researching/developing drugs based on the effect of nicotine on schizophrenia/Parkinson's/ADHD/Alzheimer's)

I have had discussions with my psych doc, and she agreed that as I have other tools in addition to meds that have made a massive difference (I practice qigong and am on a ketogenic diet, which is brilliant for schizophrenia) i'll be gradually reducing then discontinuing the Venlafaxine. It could take several months, and when I'm done, ill be testing my theory with a can of snus.

I hope to be back :-)

[Ansel]

This is like the reincarnation of a Dr Who.

[lxskllr]

At the moment I'm chain-smoking rolling tobacco. Something that doesn't depress me, funnily enough. It's obviously not a long term plan though.

What do you suppose the difference is between cigs and snus?

[Reynard]

What do you suppose the difference is between cigs and snus?

I don't have a clue. Maybe something in the delivery (spikes and troughs vs a gradual curve?), or simply that snus is stronger overall.

[lxskllr]

I don't have a clue. Maybe something in the delivery (spikes and troughs vs a gradual curve?), or simply that snus is stronger overall.

Well, I hope the drug withdrawal works out for you. In any case, if cigs keep your head right, there's worse things in the world. I find cigarettes enjoyable, and use snus cause, well... might as well. It's better for health, but I expect I won't live forever regardless. The only thing that sucks is the outrageous, and artificially high price of tobacco.

[Reynard]

Well, I hope the drug withdrawal works out for you. In any case, if cigs keep your head right, there's worse things in the world. I find cigarettes enjoyable, and use snus cause, well... might as well. It's better for health, but I expect I won't live forever regardless. The only thing that sucks is the outrageous, and artificially high price of tobacco.

Thanks mate, it could take a while. If snus doesn't work out I'll be smoking. I have a feeling I understand the mechanism involved though.

Yeah rolling tobacco in the UK costs a damn premium!

[Frosted]

I'm glad you understand the mechanisms - I think that's half the battle. What to do now, I haven't a clue. Smoking long term ain't good. Have you tried a 4mg snus?

[Reynard]

Have you tried a 4mg snus?

I need to at least chain 8mg snus to get enough. Any less and I crave. Oliver Twist is 5mg and nowhere near enough nic (and WTAs). But...the depression. I'll be coming off my antidepressant. I'm not happy being on it anyway, with male dysfunction, feeling emotionless, getting major headrushes when I stand up and well just the fact that'd have other tools now to deal with depression.

Pharmacology was a mistake. Synthetic poison IMO. I just cant wait till cannabidiol is legal here. As effective as pharma antipsychotics and barely any side effects. But knowing the state of the West it would be bastardised into a synthetic drug.

[lxskllr]

But knowing the state of the West it would be bastardised into a synthetic drug.

Things are only "bad" when they can't be monetized by corporations.

[Snusdog]

V,

Good to hear from you. Thanks for letting us in on what is going on.

Have you ever thought about e-cigs. I have never used one....but it might be a delivery system that is closer to actual cigs without some of the drawbacks

[Snusdog]

Things are only "bad" when they can't be monetized by corporations.

Word!......

[Skell18]

Vulpio! Welcome back bru! Good news coming off the pills, personally I feel its a step in the right direction, my sis is going through the same thing so I know what you're going through. Sucks about being back on the tabs, i am sure there is a snus that will fit in with what you need. As dog said, maybe an ecig would work, with the WTA ejuice?

[Faylool]

Snuff has the exact same spike as cigs on the info graph I cant find now. You can snuff as much snuff as you want really unless maybe your snuff blow snuff blow snuff blowing like a crazy I guess.

[squeezyjohn]

It's just really good to see you on here again Vulpes ... I wish you all the best with everything ... and look forward to you coming back here if you feel like dropping by with us!

As you can see from all the top posts ... it's certainly not all about snus at snuson!

[Premium Parrots]

Good luck on getting off the meds mate. I hope it goes as well as it can for you. I would also suggest trying an e-cig. You can get juice with nic levels of 0mg to around 34mg. I'm not sure most people realize this. That would give you a chance to see exactly what your body requires simply by adjusting the nic level. Do whats best for you and if it includes smoking cigs so be it. You need to think about your quality of life now as you are young. Get it adjusted any way you can and be happy. We will always be here to listen.

My best to you mate,

PP