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  • wa3zrm
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    • May 2009
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    Swedish Muslims?????

    Arctic Muslims Risk Health During Ramadan
    The Local ^ |

    Swedish Muslims north of the Arctic circle have long waited for and feared this summer. When the sun never sets, they have pondered how to observe Ramadan, when devout Muslims fast from sun up to sun down for a month.

    "Kiruna is as high up as you get in Sweden, the sun never sets during this month," Ali Melhem, 45, who has lived in Kiruna for 24 years told The Local. As the fasting month is set by the moon, Ramadan usually moves about 10 days forward in the calender each year, which means this is the first summer it has proved a 24-hour dilemma for Melhem.
    "When I first moved here, Ramadan was in the spring."
    In attendance for the day when Ramadan would run smack bang into the near three-month stretch of never-ending sun, Shia Muslim Melhem has not remained idle in doing his research.
    "My wife and I couldn't make that choice, so we've consulted mullahs from Iraq to Iran. They say we can wait to fast until the autumn," he said, adding that some Sunni Muslims in Kiruna have chosen to break their fast when the sun sets over Mecca as a solution to their dilemma. Ramadan this years started on July 9th and should last until August 7th.
    "I did check if I could follow the sun times in a nearby Swedish town like LuleƄ or UmeƄ, but even fasting for 23 hours a day is a bit difficult," father-of-three Melhem said.
    There is still no consensus, however, on how Muslims living in Scandinavia should observe Ramadan without jeopardizing their health, according to Omar Mustafa, president of the Islamic League in Sweden.
    "Several imams and organisations have different opinions. It is up to each individual to decide, but it is not meant that you should fast around the clock. Islam provides many options," Mustafa told the media.
    Ramadan is an annual observance by Muslims who are obliged to fast from dawn to sunset for a month often in summer. Many abstain from sexual relations as well as food, drink and smoking. Islam does allow some exceptions from participating in the annual fast such as pregnant women, diabetics and the elderly.
    In nearby Finland it is also a problem with up to 21 hours of daylight during the summer. A compromise has been suggested by Imam Abdul Mannan, president of the Islan Society of Northern Finland.
    "The Egyptian scholars say that if the fasting days are long - more than 18 hours - then you can follow the Mecca time or Medina time, or the nearest Muslim country time," he said.
    "The other point of view from the Saudi scholars says whatever the day is - long or short - you have to follow the local time."
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  • lxskllr
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    • Sep 2007
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    #2
    The other point of view from the Saudi scholars says whatever the day is - long or short - you have to follow the local time
    This is the correct view. Anything else is modifying what the text says out of convenience. Not unprecedented. Pretty much every religion does it, which is a big reason I'm down on religion. Changeable rules aren't rules at all, and if you're gonna change one of them, you can change all of them, so why bother?

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    • spinyeel
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      • Aug 2009
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      #3
      Originally posted by lxskllr
      This is the correct view. Anything else is modifying what the text says out of convenience. Not unprecedented. Pretty much every religion does it, which is a big reason I'm down on religion. Changeable rules aren't rules at all, and if you're gonna change one of them, you can change all of them, so why bother?
      What he said +1.

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      • Roo
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        • Jun 2008
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        #4
        The very survival through the centuries of world religions as we know them today is dependent on modification of the text if you ask me. That is what religions do, in fits and starts, they modify the text. Interesting story. Not sure why you're so surprised about Swedish Muslims though.

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        • wa3zrm
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          • May 2009
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          #5
          Originally posted by Roo
          The very survival through the centuries of world religions as we know them today is dependent on modification of the text if you ask me. That is what religions do, in fits and starts, they modify the text. Interesting story. Not sure why you're so surprised about Swedish Muslims though.
          I was just wondering if they were snus users or is it prohibited by their religion...
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          • Skell18
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            • May 2012
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            #6
            Originally posted by wa3zrm
            I was just wondering if they were snus users or is it prohibited by their religion...
            They smoke it so can't see smokeless being an issue with them.

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            • halocog
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              • Oct 2011
              • 649

              #7
              Originally posted by wa3zrm
              I was just wondering if they were snus users or is it prohibited by their religion...

              I'll admit that I don't know crap about their religion, but I did see some form of oral tobacco from their region a while back.
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              • OregonNative
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                • Aug 2009
                • 647

                #8
                For those who don't know, technically anything that could be addictive or harmful is haraam (forbidden) in Islam. You find a mix, some Islamic scholars say tobacco is haraam (regardless of form), and some don't really mention it. I have many Muslim friends, and some of them smoke (especially nargile/shisha), and I know a few that even use smokeless tobacco.

                Surah al-Baqarah, 2:195
                وَأَنفِقُواْ فِى سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ وَلَا تُلۡقُواْ بِأَيۡدِيكُمۡ إِلَى ٱلتَّہۡلُكَةِ*ۛ وَأَحۡسِنُوٓاْ*ۛ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يُحِبُّ ٱلۡمُحۡسِنِينَ (١٩٥)
                Spend in the way of Allah and do not put yourselves into destruction, and do good. Of course, Allah loves those who do good.

                This verse talks about not leading yourself into addiction, harm, etc. Regardless of the addiction, it's frowned upon in Islam.

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