US adults are dumber than the average human

[Frankie Reloaded]

Actually I was paid to study at the local University - sort of. The school paid a modest grant to everyone who exceeded certain levels in their study results. So, I got M.A. in linguistics and then another in pedagogy (I thought I needed it at the time - stupid idea, lost time) with no debt at all. I stayed in a heavily subsidized dormitory and ate heavily subsidized food in student canteens.

Which obviously means...
Socialism is bad, bad, BAD!

[lxskllr]

Degrees are stupid in many cases. It's a bribe you pay to the system to get a desirable outcome. It's like going to court with a lawyer on an open/shut case. You get a better result with a lawyer due to paying the system bribe.

Companies expect others to take the responsibility of training at no cost to them, and for taking on the burden of training, the worker gets the benefit of corporate loyalty that extends to a single quarter at a time. That's assuming you get "hired" in the first place. A lot of places are getting rid of employees. You sign up as a contractor now, which absolves the company of pretty much all responsibility for everything.

It's all a shitty game, and the masses are being played for the few at the top.

[Thunder_Snus]

I have a BS and MS plus 38 additional graduate credits, which in our educational system is equal to a PhD.
My BS and MS combined cost me less than $15K - circa 1970's. My additional credits were free because I was on university staff.
My daughter just began college this year - $50K per year!!!!!!!!! THIS IS INSANE!

When I tried to talk her into taking her first two years at a Community College, she looked at me as if I were insane.
These kids today have no concept of long term debt. Sad.

Good lord where is your daughter going that is costing 50k a year. I went to Comm college for my first 2 years no questions asked. My then and still current girlfriend went so i figured why not. I got to live at home, pay something like 2k a semester, and the only downside was driving almost 60 miles round trip. Then again my perception of college is much different than most. I didn't go to college to try to get liver cancer I went so I could continue my education in the hopes of landing a well paying job that could lead to early retirement or atleast a very comfortable retirement. Most people get caught up in the social life and can't seem to let it go. They don't realize that if they decide going to the bars is the most important thing, they will graduate with a degree in something like sports psychology which will qualify them to make just above minimum wage.

Getting an actual degree is hard, you spend 4-6 hours a day doing homework after the 2-4 hours you spend in class, you might have a job somewhere in there and all of your peers don't understand why you don't have the time to go do things. Getting the worthless degree and spending 4 years partying always seems like a much more leisurely option which is why most people do it. But those same people always wind up on the news going "I got a degree but can't find a job. Obama Obama Obama, corporations, bad economy blah blah. No they didn't do anything, they got C's so they could pass and spent their free time doing other things.

[Thunder_Snus]

Actually I was paid to study at the local University - sort of. The school paid a modest grant to everyone who exceeded certain levels in their study results. So, I got M.A. in linguistics and then another in pedagogy (I thought I needed it at the time - stupid idea, lost time) with no debt at all. I stayed in a heavily subsidized dormitory and ate heavily subsidized food in student canteens.

Which obviously means...
Socialism is bad, bad, BAD!

It's funny, people will complain about high tuition and everything else and want it to change but the second you say the world socialism or socialism like programs people lose their damn minds. It's like here in the states we are taught that that word is like a racist slur, it should never be used unless you are REALLY trying to piss someone off, regardless of if they understand the word or not.

[Skell18]

You have my interest....what is a sparky?

An electrician.

[truthwolf1]

It's funny, people will complain about high tuition and everything else and want it to change but the second you say the world socialism or socialism like programs people lose their damn minds. It's like here in the states we are taught that that word is like a racist slur, it should never be used unless you are REALLY trying to piss someone off, regardless of if they understand the word or not.

I have seen the east-euro system and it is very competitive. One shot and that's it! My high school grades/SAT's were not college worthy by my counselor only to get straight A's my first semester without trying. Something about public schools and testing was not my style obviously. I should of just started college in 11th grade!

On SOCIALISM, Then those programs need to be equal for everyone.
Things like SS and Medicaid and maybe a healthcare system like France would be okay by most as long as everybody is contributing.

The reason the average working man is angry with the word is because the more socialized programs that get created usually means less for him and he still pay's the high tuition.

[wa3zrm]

Getting an actual degree is hard, you spend 4-6 hours a day doing homework after the 2-4 hours you spend in class, you might have a job somewhere in there and all of your peers don't understand why you don't have the time to go do things. Getting the worthless degree and spending 4 years partying always seems like a much more leisurely option which is why most people do it. But those same people always wind up on the news going "I got a degree but can't find a job. Obama Obama Obama, corporations, bad economy blah blah. No they didn't do anything, they got C's so they could pass and spent their free time doing other things.

^^^THIS! She just changed her major from engineering to psychology.
I'm going off to a corner now to vomit then cry.
She needs to be in a Community College.

[Skell18]

^^^THIS! She just changed her major from engineering to psychology.
I'm going off to a corner now to vomit then cry.
She needs to be in a Community College.

Why??? You can go anywhere in the world with engineering!

[Thunder_Snus]

^^^THIS! She just changed her major from engineering to psychology.
I'm going off to a corner now to vomit then cry.
She needs to be in a Community College.

Ehhhhhh tough break man. You'd better make sure she learns a few foreign languages so she can get denied a job in a few different countries. Psychology ist sehr schmutzig

[Crow]

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[wa3zrm]

Why??? You can go anywhere in the world with engineering!

She has gone from this:

Aerospace Engineering
The Bachelor of Science in Aerospace Engineering at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the premier undergraduate aerospace program in the nation. The graduates of this selective program are sought after by the aerospace and aviation industry-an industry that contributes $1.5 trillion annually to the US economy. During their freshman year, students must demonstrate exceptional performance by achieving a high GPA in certain foundational course to remain in the discipline. The department offers a wide array of courses in aeronautics, airplane and space vehicle design, structures, and propulsion. Students can select an option to focus in aeronautics, astronautics, or aerospace propulsion.

to this:

Human Factors Psychology
The Bachelor of Science degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Human Factors Psychology emphasizes human behavior, ergonomics, and human capabilities. The program seeks to develop a student with the capacity to design, conduct, and apply human factors research to the design of simple and complex systems. The goal of the program is to educate and graduate professionals who are equipped for employment as human factors specialists or to continue their education in graduate school.

From what I'm getting, I think this is her plan. I agree with you Skell, you can go anywhere with a real engineering degree... a sugar coated Human Factors degree, IMO, is a bag of bullshit. She's going to have to connect some major aspect of engineering to it; and, I guess her strategy is to do so in graduate school.

[Skell18]

She has gone from this:

Aerospace Engineering
The Bachelor of Science in Aerospace Engineering at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the premier undergraduate aerospace program in the nation. The graduates of this selective program are sought after by the aerospace and aviation industry-an industry that contributes $1.5 trillion annually to the US economy. During their freshman year, students must demonstrate exceptional performance by achieving a high GPA in certain foundational course to remain in the discipline. The department offers a wide array of courses in aeronautics, airplane and space vehicle design, structures, and propulsion. Students can select an option to focus in aeronautics, astronautics, or aerospace propulsion.

to this:

Human Factors Psychology
The Bachelor of Science degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Human Factors Psychology emphasizes human behavior, ergonomics, and human capabilities. The program seeks to develop a student with the capacity to design, conduct, and apply human factors research to the design of simple and complex systems. The goal of the program is to educate and graduate professionals who are equipped for employment as human factors specialists or to continue their education in graduate school.

From what I'm getting, I think this is her plan. I agree with you Skell, you can go anywhere with a real engineering degree... a sugar coated Human Factors degree, IMO, is a bag of bullshit. She's going to have to connect some major aspect of engineering to it; and, I guess her strategy is to do so in graduate school.

I know it's her choice and she should do what she is happy with as it helps with the learning experience, but, why waste anther £xxx,xxx on grad school? Aerospace engineering too!! Thats like a golden ticket to a job anywhere you want to go, and it won't be hard to get a job either! A good friend of mine from school has just been headhunted by Airbus without even asking, great job, great pay, great benefits, safe job, gets to travel the world! From what he tells me they are crying out for aerospace engineers. What would you even use a human factors psychology degree for??

I have been drinking so this may come across as harsh, she should do what she wants to do, but giving up something thats as interesting as aerospace engineering!

[Thunder_Snus]

She has gone from this:

Aerospace Engineering
The Bachelor of Science in Aerospace Engineering at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the premier undergraduate aerospace program in the nation. The graduates of this selective program are sought after by the aerospace and aviation industry-an industry that contributes $1.5 trillion annually to the US economy. During their freshman year, students must demonstrate exceptional performance by achieving a high GPA in certain foundational course to remain in the discipline. The department offers a wide array of courses in aeronautics, airplane and space vehicle design, structures, and propulsion. Students can select an option to focus in aeronautics, astronautics, or aerospace propulsion.

to this:

Human Factors Psychology
The Bachelor of Science degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Human Factors Psychology emphasizes human behavior, ergonomics, and human capabilities. The program seeks to develop a student with the capacity to design, conduct, and apply human factors research to the design of simple and complex systems. The goal of the program is to educate and graduate professionals who are equipped for employment as human factors specialists or to continue their education in graduate school.

From what I'm getting, I think this is her plan. I agree with you Skell, you can go anywhere with a real engineering degree... a sugar coated Human Factors degree, IMO, is a bag of bullshit. She's going to have to connect some major aspect of engineering to it; and, I guess her strategy is to do so in graduate school.

She has gone from this:

Aerospace Engineering
The Bachelor of Science in Aerospace Engineering at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University is the premier undergraduate aerospace program in the nation. The graduates of this selective program are sought after by the aerospace and aviation industry-an industry that contributes $1.5 trillion annually to the US economy. During their freshman year, students must demonstrate exceptional performance by achieving a high GPA in certain foundational course to remain in the discipline. The department offers a wide array of courses in aeronautics, airplane and space vehicle design, structures, and propulsion. Students can select an option to focus in aeronautics, astronautics, or aerospace propulsion.

to this:

Human Factors Psychology
The Bachelor of Science degree at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Human Factors Psychology emphasizes human behavior, ergonomics, and human capabilities. The program seeks to develop a student with the capacity to design, conduct, and apply human factors research to the design of simple and complex systems. The goal of the program is to educate and graduate professionals who are equipped for employment as human factors specialists or to continue their education in graduate school.

From what I'm getting, I think this is her plan. I agree with you Skell, you can go anywhere with a real engineering degree... a sugar coated Human Factors degree, IMO, is a bag of bullshit. She's going to have to connect some major aspect of engineering to it; and, I guess her strategy is to do so in graduate school.

I may be in the middle of nowhere in Illinois but It's pretty common for people I know to graduate and move to Chicago. The best I've ever heard of anyone doing with a psychology degree was working at a car rental place making 12$ an hour. I've been making almost twice that amount working part time while in school. Unless she plans to be like that little asian dude from Law and Order SVU it's basically just a degree for people who don't know what degree they want. And if she does plan to be like that guy you can expect a sweet load of cash to be paid to get that after she goes to grad school and then has to go to a slightly less focused med school to get a license to practice medicine.

It may sound harsh Wa3zrm but that is a big mistake on her part. I'm guessing shes about my age...maybe a few years younger...the thing to remember is people this age are STUPID, especially women if they ever get hooked by one of those feminazi groups. With that being said, a lot of bigger corporations are just looking for people with a degree to perform minor roles. Something above entry level but not much higher up. Where I work that is a big thing, a degree, the specifics are not important, but you can expect to be expected to work an entry level position for at least one year. There is no problem with wanting a simple life pulling in 40-60k a year (adjusted for inflation) but if she is graduating with 200k in student loan debt.....40-60k is going to take a lifetime to pay off. Perhaps Aerospace engineering did not pan out but I'm guessing if she was accepted into something like that she could easily handle something like accounting, statistics, economics, finance. It's about taking advantage of the situation you have. I know a guy that had a full academic scholarship where I go, most people with that opportunity blow it on something like sports psychology or library science. This dude got a degree in finance and economics, learned like 3 languages or something, found some Danish exchange student married her and moved to Denmark and makes an asston of money because apparently Denmark does not have a huge surplus of people that can do what he does. If she can't find something that is needed in the U.S she damn sure better learn a language for a place that does need it.

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