Anyone here trying to buy Obamacare?

[pouchface]

While I do think Obamacare will blow up in our faces in a big way........ I don't see the parallel between nanny government and genocide. Bad politics are in a whole other ballpark from peddling death.

[Skell18]

drink bitch!

[squeezyjohn]

Yeah - you're right Skell - if I drink enough - maybe I'll start to understand!

[Skell18]

Yeah - you're right Skell - if I drink enough - maybe I'll start to understand!

It helps

[GoVegan]

Actually, you must make over 133% of the poverty line in your state to qualify for federal subsidies to cover your premium. This means that unemployed or very poor folks will either have to pay the full premium, enroll in Medicaid or a state equivalent, or pay the penalty. This is the primary failure of Obamacare, IMHO.

I have a feeling there are huge differences from one state to another. If you are low income in California they offer you MediCal which is often free or with a low share of cost. I am willing to bet that insurance overall is much more expensive here compared to a lot of other States especially if you have a pres existing condition or want a plan with a low deductible.

[wa3zrm]

Florida Blue Cancels 300,000 Individual Insurance Policies Because of Obamacare
Jacksonville Business Journal ^

Florida Blue is cutting 300,000 individual insurance policies because they don’t measure up to the guidelines set forth by the Affordable Care Act, Kaiser Health News reports.
The cuts represent about 80 percent of Florida Blue’s individual insurance business, according to KHN. Affected policyholders are being notified via mail, Florida Blue spokesman Mark Wright told WUSF, with recommendations for new plan options available on the health exchange, an online marketplace through which consumers can purchase subsidized insurance.
Florida Blue is the only insurer to offer plans on the exchange in all 67 of Florida’s counties.
Wright did not immediately return a phone call or email seeking comment. He told WUSF that it was impossible to gauge a price difference between the canceled plans and the ones available on the exchange.

[Thunder_Snus]

Sorry Thunder_Snus ... I am obviously a moron.

From your eloquent, considered argument I can now see that everything that Obama is doing is as dangerous as anything that was perpetrated by Hitler during the 3rd Reich. And also that everyone apart from a small minority will look back on this dark period of history you are living in with just as much shame as post-war Germans do towards Hitler because your president is trying to set up a social security program.

How could I have got it so wrong?

Squeezy (aka Euro-pussy)

I believe you have misinterpreted the point I was trying to get across. No I am not saying forcing people to have health insurance is the same as mass genocide. The desired outcome on both ends is the same though. Absolute and total power. To consider people who think freely as an enemy. To nourish those that depend on the government. And this isn't just about healthcare its about how the entire administration has been run. I figured the extra money taken out of my paycheck starting in January or so this year was going to reduce or debt...it has only risen. This increase in tax forced several employers to have layoffs and then in turn took more money away from the people and all it did was kept that however many trillion dollar from rising quicker. This is JUST after we were coming out of a recession with the highest unemployment rate since 81. The sad thing is "the people" elected this man TWICE on a pile of lies he never followed through on. If he could he would attempt to be king of the U.S and get a lifetime appointment and remain unsatisfied until every household earned 20k a year and received 20k in benefits that could be cut off at any time.

Squeezy you're a cool dude. I certainly didn't mean to upset you or to sound as if I was insulting you. But the American way of life is constantly becoming something of the past under this man and I really don't think it's something you can grasp unless you are here, growing up in the school system that always taught you the hard worker made the money and those who never tried never achieve financial success. Capitalism and Democracy was something we always prided ourselves on. Now it seems like I can only be proud that I am not standing in line to get my ration of blue jeans, beets, and toilet paper.

[squeezyjohn]

A man is only a man once he is forced to question all the forces that made him the man that he is.

The truth that you seek is understanding a fine line between respecting the doctrines you have been brought up with, knowing the motives of those who have taught you and knowing what is right and what is wrong.

A real man comes to his own conclusions ... educating himself along the way as he needs it because that's the true redneck way.

Truly thinking about things and accepting gaps in our knowledge is all that I am asking for here ... seriously.

Squeezy

[squeezyjohn]

By the way ... my grandad fought Hitler in the war ... and although his stories had that gloss of an old soldier who has the nostalgia and gravitas ... the sheer evil of the Nazi regime is something that I live with every day. This is a man who's opinions I will never doubt because he was there - and I sat on his knee while he told me about the atrocities. He was a very gentle and good man, forced against his pacifist tendencies in to fighting for the right side. I know that for sure.

Be very careful in my presence of trivialising quite how bad what the Nazi's did was. That's all I'm attempting to say. It's easy to say someone is like Hitler - much harder to understand the gravity of that kind of comparison.

[Premium Parrots]

The Universal Healthcare package as viewed by doctors..............

"The American Medical Association has weighed in on the new Universal Healthcare package. The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves. The Gastroenterologists had sort of a gut feeling about it, but the Neurologists thought the Administration... had a lot of nerve. The Obstetricians felt they were all laboring under a misconception. Ophthalmologists considered the idea shortsighted. Pathologists yelled, "Over my dead body!" while the Pediatricians said, 'Oh, Grow up!'

The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it. Surgeons decided to wash their hands of the whole thing. The Internists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, "This puts a whole new face on the matter."

The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea. The Anesthesiologists thought the whole idea was a gas, and the Cardiologists didn't have the heart to say no. In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the assholes in Washington."

[squeezyjohn]

lol

[GoVegan]

We are a free country. You are perfectly free to die from a simple medical condition if you don't have any cash.

[Thunder_Snus]

By the way ... my grandad fought Hitler in the war ... and although his stories had that gloss of an old soldier who has the nostalgia and gravitas ... the sheer evil of the Nazi regime is something that I live with every day. This is a man who's opinions I will never doubt because he was there - and I sat on his knee while he told me about the atrocities. He was a very gentle and good man, forced against his pacifist tendencies in to fighting for the right side. I know that for sure.

Be very careful in my presence of trivialising quite how bad what the Nazi's did was. That's all I'm attempting to say. It's easy to say someone is like Hitler - much harder to understand the gravity of that kind of comparison.

You have my apologies squeezy.

[Premium Parrots]

ok.....America is not the industrial nation it once was, China, Mexico and a very few other countries rule industry now. For America to survive in this new world order and care for the millions of baby boomers that now are getting older and have more health problems America needs to become a health care based society. Although I generally disagree with Obama and most of his practices, attitude and just about everything else I think that all these americans that are out of work may find jobs in some sector of healthcare. This is simply the beginning. The problem I see is that almost all of our healthcare commerce will stay here with little to be exported. This will isolate this country from the rest of the world for the most part. However, with that being said I believe that its possible that in some distant future America can trade with other countries as long as we can get our educational system back in order to have young minds find cures, develope medicines and medical devices that are needed thru out the world. A lot more can be said about this but I'm very tired atm and can't keep a straight thought.

Bottom line is its possible that the only way to have the US economy thrive is when health care is our main business. But really I don't know shit about this other than I've very confident about that statement. However I suggest that if you invest in the stock market make dam sure a good portion of your portfolio is invested in some sector of healthcare. That's where the money will be.

Let it be known that I don't like Obama and I've met the man at a neighbors pig roast about 2 years before he was elected. All the women at the outing were focused at him because of his speaking ability and he was the only black man that attended it and the women found him attractive. I wasn't too impressed because he was showing his arrogance. A few days later I spoke with my neighbor and asked him who the hell that guy was. He said that black man is going to be our next president. It was then I found out my neighbor was in the process of grooming and preparing Obama to be at least somewhat qualified to be president. Obama had the Chicago democratic political machine behind him and that's a powerful force to deal with and for the republicans to run against. While Obama had no experience he had the right people grooming and backing him. The republicans had an experienced candidate but the general population could not identify with the republican cannidate and the broad that ran with him for vice president. [I'm so tired I can't even think of either ones name, duh]. Anyway , imo Obama won the election by default. Sucks.

My neighbor passed away right before the election. I loved that guy as he was a great friend but I often wonder if he is rolling in his grave at what Obama is doing to the country....and may ultimately do to the world. I also wonder if he would actually agree with what Obama is doing now that he is in power and if this was his intention. I know Obama is simply a puppet and I can't believe my neighbor would have anything to do with ruining America. So I sit here in wonder....what will become of this? I can see the good and the bad but we will all have to wait and see.

Shit.....sorry if this post doesn't make much sense. Maybe I can explain better in the morning....maybe not. So I will pass out and leave you all to ponder and sort my statements out with these 2 simple words ........





carry on

[Burnsey]

Someone was up way past their bedtime, eh? Well put though PP. You were searching for the names ........ John McCain - good guy.....Sarah Palin - very scary. It is concerning that such a large part of our economy is to be controlled and influenced by the Feds......