Will the SHTF on January 1?

[wa3zrm]

I retired, but was allowed to stay on my employers group plan (discounted), as long as I pay ALL of the premium. It's a good Blue Cross plan for my wife and I, and it's over $1,200 per month. $140 must be almost no coverage at all. Mines gone up $300 per month in the last two years. I checked the Obamacare Exchange, and it will cost me $1,500 per month for worse insurance. They co-pays are doubled, and the deductibles are ridiculously huge. Thank god I've kept mine so far. Blue Cross has spent over a million dollars keeping me alive for the last three years without questioning one dollar of my treatment. If I had to go on government sponsored insurance, I'd be broke from co-pays and deductibles. And...I'm still waiting for the $2,500 in annual savings that the President said I'd see. I haven't met one doctor that feels good about any of this.

Are you and I the only two people that realize this? I agree 110% with everything you said! What's going to happen in January when people don't have the type of insurance they have had most of their life? Are we suppose to deal out thousands of dollars per doctor visit? And what if you have to go to the hospital... under Obamacare, a hospital stay will wipe out your life savings. If things don't take a drastic change, I see BIG trouble down the road.

[Andy105]

Are you and I the only two people that realize this?

I'm sure that others see how this won't work. The problem, in this country, is that people think everything's OK, until it's not for them. Unfortunately, that's usually too late.

[Thunder_Snus]

Are you and I the only two people that realize this? I agree 110% with everything you said! What's going to happen in January when people don't have the type of insurance they have had most of their life? Are we suppose to deal out thousands of dollars per doctor visit? And what if you have to go to the hospital... under Obamacare, a hospital stay will wipe out your life savings. If things don't take a drastic change, I see BIG trouble down the road.

But it's the AFFORDABLE health care act wa3zrm. So all of this is going to be more affordable than what we already have. The numbers don't seem to make sense right now but......obama....change....we were not racist and elected a black president......something else liberals would say.

[Snusdog]

Where I come from (it's in the avatar) every single problem known to man in any political way whatsoever (including everything done since Obama was in office) was and still is caused by one man and one man only: George W. Bush!

And re: guns and ammo (PP) .......(because the Mods are dead set against this stuff: and I agree with them) I'll just say that you might consider yourself kinda lucky.

Dan

Boy....don't make come up there and shoot your ass


cause there are a lot of things I'm dead set against..........but one more quail shot is not one of them

capisce

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Notre Dame Professor on Obamacare

Obamacare Should Remind Us We Are Not 'Subjects,' We Are People
Laura Hollis is a professor at the University of Notre Dame
November 20, 2013|10:42 am


The unveiling of the dictatorial debacle that is Obamacare absolutely flabbergasts me. It is stunning on so many levels, but the most shocking aspect of it for me is watching millions of free Americans stand idly by while this man, his minions in Congress and his cheerleaders in the press systematically dismantle our Constitution, steal our money, and crush our freedoms.



The President, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid (with no small help from Justice John Roberts) take away our health care, and we allow it. They take away our insurance, and we allow it. They take away our doctors, and we allow it.They charge us thousands of dollars more a year, and we allow it. They make legal products illegal, and we allow it. They cripple our businesses, and we allow it.They announce by fiat that we must ignore our most deeply held beliefs – and we allow it.
Where is your spine, America?


Yes, I know people are complaining. I read the news on the internet. I read blogs. I have a Twitter feed. So what? People in the Soviet Union complained. People in Cuba complain. People in China complain (quietly). Complaining isn't the same thing as doing anything about it. In fact, much of the complaining that we hear sounds like resignation: Wow. This sucks. Oh well, this is the way things are. Too bad.
Perhaps you need reminding of a few important facts. Here goes:

1. The President is not a king. Barack Obama does not behave like a President, an elected official, someone who realizes that he works for us. He behaves like a king, a dictator – someone who believes that his own pronouncements have the force of law, and who thinks he can dispense with the law's enforcement when he deigns to do so. And those of us who object? How dare we? Racists!
And while he moves steadily "forward" with his plans to "fundamentally transform" the greatest country in human history, he distracts people with cheap, meaningless trivialities, like "free birth control pills"! (In fact, let's face it: this administration's odd obsession with sex in general - Birth control! Abortion! Sterilization! Gay guys who play basketball! -- is just plain weird. Since when did the leader of the free world care so much about how people have sex, who they have it with, and what meds they use when they have it? Does he have nothing more important to concern himself with?)

2. It isn't just a failed software program; it is a failed philosophy. People are marveling thatHealthcare.gov was such a spectacular failure. Well, if one is only interested in it as a product launch, I've explained some of the reasons for that here. But the larger point is that it isn't a software failure, or even a product failure; it is a philosophy failure.
I have said this before: Obama is not a centrist; he is a central planner. And this – all of it: the disastrous computer program, the hundreds of millions of dollars wasted, the lies, the manipulation of public opinion, the theft of the public's money and property, and freedom (read insurance, and premiums, and doctors) -- IS what central planning looks like.
The central premise of central planning is that a handful of wunderkinds with your best interests at heart (yeah, right) know better than you what's good for you. The failure of such a premise and the misery it causes have been clear from the dawn of humanity. Kings and congressmen, dictators and Dear Leaders, potentates, princes and presidents can all fall prey to the same imperial impulses: "we know what is good the 'the people.'
And they are always wrong.
There is a reason that the only times communism has really been tried have been after wars, revolutions, or coups d'état. You have to have complete chaos for people to be willing to accept the garbage that centralized planning produces. Take the Soviet Union, for example. After two wars, famine, and the collapse of the Romanov dynasty, why wouldn't people wait in line for hours to buy size 10 shoes? Or settle for the gray matter that passed for meat in the grocery stores?
But communism's watered-down cousin, socialism, isn't much better. Ask the Venezuelans who cannot get toilet paper. Toilet paper. ¡Viva la Revolución!
Contrary to what so many who believe in a "living Constitution" say, the Founding Fathers absolutely understood this. That is why the Constitution was set up to limit government power. (Memo to the President: the drafters of the Constitution deliberately didn't say "what government had to do on your behalf.") They understood that that was the path to folly, fear, and famine.)

3. Obama is deceitful. Just as the collapse of the computer program should not surprise anyone, neither should we be shocked that the President lied about his healthcare plan. Have any of you been paying attention over the past few years? Obama has made no secret of his motivations or his methods. The philosophies which inspire him espouse deceit and other vicious tactics. (Don't take my word for it: read Saul Alinsky.) Obama infamously told reporter Richard Wolffe, "You know, I actually believe my own bullshit." He has refused to be forthcoming about his past (where are his academic records?). His own pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, told author Ed Klein, that Obama said to him, "You know what your problem is? You have to tell the truth."
Did Obama lie when he said dozens of times, "If you like you plan, you can keep it. Period!"? Of course he did. That's what he does.

4. The media is responsible. And had the media been doing their jobs, we would have known a lot of this much, much earlier.
The press is charged with the sacred responsibility of protecting the people from the excesses of government. Our press has been complicit, incompetent, or corrupt. Had they vetted this man in 2008, as they would have a Republican candidate, we would have known far more about him than we do, even now. Had they pressed for more details about Obamacare, Congress' feet would have been held to the fire. Had they done their jobs about Eric Holder, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the IRS scandal, NSA spying - or any of the other myriad betrayals of the public trust that this administration has committed, Obama would likely have lost his 2012 reelection campaign. (A fact that even The Washington Post has tacitly acknowledged. Well done, fellas! Happy now?)
Instead, they turned a blind eye, even when they knew he was lying, abusing power, disregarding the limits of the Constitution. It was only when he began to spy on them, and when the lies were so blatant that the lowest of low-information voters could figure it out that they realized they had to report on it. (Even in the face of blatant, deliberate and repeated lies,The New York Times has the audacity to tell us that the President "misspoke.") They have betrayed us, abandoned us, and deceived us.

5. Ted Cruz was right. So was Sarah Palin. The computer program is a disaster. The insurance exchanges are a disaster. What's left? The healthcare system itself. And this, of necessity, will be a disaster, too.
Millions of people have lost their individual insurance plans. In 2015, millions more will lose their employer-provided coverage (a fact which the Obama administration also knew, and admitted elsewhere).
The exorbitant additional costs that Obamacare has foisted on unsuspecting Americans are all part of a plan of wealth confiscation and redistribution. That is bad enough. But it will not end there.
When the numbers of people into the system and the corresponding demand for care vastly exceed the cost projections (and they will, make no mistake), then the rationing will start. Not only choice at that point, but quality and care itself will go down the tubes. And then will come the decisions made by the Independent Payment Advisory Board about what care will be covered (read "paid for") and what will not.
That's just a death panel, put politely. In fact, progressives are already greasing the wheels for acceptance of that miserable reality as well. They're spreading the lie that it will be about the ability of the dying to refuse unwanted or unhelpful care. Don't fall for that one, either. It will be about the deaths that inevitably result from decisions made by people other than the patients, their families, and their physicians. (Perhaps it's helpful to think of their assurances this way: "If you like your end-of-life care, you can keep your end-of-life-care.")

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6. We are not SUBJECTS. (or, Nice Try, the Tea Party Isn't Going Away). We have tolerated these incursions into our lives and livelihoods too long already. There is no end to the insatiable demand "progressives" have to remake us in their image. Today it is our insurance, our businesses, our doctors, our health care. Tomorrow some new crusade will be announced that enables them to take over other aspects of our formerly free lives.
I will say it again: WE ARE NOT SUBJECTS. Not only is the Tea Party right on the fiscal issues, but it appears that they are more relevant than ever. We fought a war once to prove we did not want to be the subjects of a king, and the Boston Tea Party was just a taste of the larger conflict to come. If some people missed that lesson in history class, we can give them a refresher.
The 2014 elections are a good place to start. Call your representative, your senator, your candidate and tell them: "We are not subjects. You work for us. And if the word "REPEAL" isn't front and center in your campaign, we won't vote for you. Period."

Laura Hollis is an attorney and teaches entrepreneurship and business law at the University of Notre Dame. She resides in Indiana with her husband and two children.

[Andy105]

Amen, Professor. As an Illinois resident, I've watched Obama in constant campaign mode through Illinois state government, and watched flabbergasted as he accomplished nothing here, but still rose to power with almost no one in the media, or elsewhere, ever questioning his experience or résumé. The media is waking up slightly out of shame and embarrassment. Too little too late. Obama re-wrote his own law so that the worst of it doesn't even take effect until after the November elections, so that he can attempt to hold onto a Democrat majority in the Senate. His next big project is immigration reform. Maybe they won't have a chance to say "we have to pass this law, to see what's in it".

[Thunder_Snus]

Big Question. Next election will one or more candidates run with the campaign that they will dissolve obamacare and act like it never happened?

[DanF]

@Dan....what do you mean by this..."because the Mods are dead set against this stuff"? What stuff? What mods?

just wondering

I'm very glad to you asked that. I missed your post and haven't followed this thread too closely.

I "thought" I read somewhere in the (rules) before joining the forum that certain topics were expressly forbidden on Snuson and all posts that contain them would be deleted.

Those topics (and I could have read this on another site) were anything political....racist.....sexist.....religious....you name it: and it was forbidden here by the Moderators.

Now I don't usually go any further with any online chat that gets anything more rant like then Left Wing and Right Wing leanings.

My intent is not to offend and turn off members here especially being new here myself and also I find some some chat guys can go ballistic. Usually I can get a feel for the general tone of members by reading numerous threads and posts.

Still, to answer your question, I thought I read this in the rules.

Readers can already assume by a previous post of mine where I "fit" in the political slant picture.

Anyway (my posts do tend to ramble) you can inform me as to what and what not is permitted at Snuson.

Dan

P.S.

I find myself now actually avoiding those Christmas lights with my cursor as the fun has worn off. And to think how much I loved them!

[lxskllr]

I'm very glad to you asked that. I missed your post and haven't followed this thread too closely.

I "thought" I read somewhere in the (rules) before joining the forum that certain topics were expressly forbidden on Snuson and all posts that contain them would be deleted.

Those topics (and I could have read this on another site) were anything political....racist.....sexist.....religious....you name it: and it was forbidden here by the Moderators.

Now I don't usually go any further with any online chat that gets anything more rant like then Left Wing and Right Wing leanings.

My intent is not to offend and turn off members here especially being new here myself and also I find some some chat guys can go ballistic. Usually I can get a feel for the general tone of members by reading numerous threads and posts.

Still, to answer your question, I thought I read this in the rules.

Readers can already assume by a previous post of mine where I "fit" in the political slant picture.

Anyway (my posts do tend to ramble) you can inform me as to what and what not is permitted at Snuson.

Dan

P.S.

I find myself now actually avoiding those Christmas lights with my cursor as the fun has worn off. And to think how much I loved them!

We don't have too many rules here. The biggest, though I don't think is written anywhere, is "Use common sense". The lights can be disabled in your profile. Alternatively, the sound can be disabled by disabling Flash, which I recommend anyway. Flash is a blight on the web, and a security risk, and the lights can be removed by blocking scripts with NoScript. NoScript adds work to the web experience, but gives a huge boost to security, and a great reduction of annoyances.

[DanF]

The lights can be disabled in your profile. Alternatively, the sound can be disabled by disabling Flash, which I recommend anyway. Flash is a blight on the web, and a security risk, and the lights can be removed by blocking scripts with NoScript.

I tried to find the correct way to do this in my settings..... but need a little help?

Dan

[lxskllr]

I tried to find the correct way to do this in my settings..... but need a little help?

Dan

Edit:
I think I may have confused you. I'm used to talking to people who know these things, and assume everyone lives on the web :^D

Flash as you probably know is a proprietary software package for delivering content, usually multimedia. You'd disable that in your browser settings. If you use a decent browser like Firefox, you can block it using the addon FlashBlock, or an addon toggle button FlashDisable, which is what I use.

NoScript is a Firefox addon that blocks javascript. Javascript can be used to deliver malware, or compromise privacy. It's also widely used to deliver web content, and many times overused. Blocking scripts can make browsing faster, but it can also break websites. Selectively blocking scripts gives a good balance between speed.security/web breakage.

[Burnsey]

Big Question. Next election will one or more candidates run with the campaign that they will dissolve obamacare and act like it never happened?

I wonder about that too....let's face it, the people running for office will use any thing that effects us as a means to be (re-) elected. That said, if Obama care fails enough then it would be a good campaign strategy, if it succeeds then it will not get any play..... imo

[DanF]

Edit:
I think I may have confused you. I'm used to talking to people who know these things, and assume everyone lives on the web :^D

Flash as you probably know is a proprietary software package for delivering content, usually multimedia. You'd disable that in your browser settings. If you use a decent browser like Firefox, you can block it using the addon FlashBlock, or an addon toggle button FlashDisable, which is what I use.

NoScript is a Firefox addon that blocks javascript. Javascript can be used to deliver malware, or compromise privacy. It's also widely used to deliver web content, and many times overused. Blocking scripts can make browsing faster, but it can also break websites. Selectively blocking scripts gives a good balance between speed.security/web breakage.

lxskllr

Thanks for all your help.

Yup.....I'm not the most intuitive guy on the block.

Much appreciate your time.

Dan

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