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  • Crow
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    • Oct 2010
    • 4312

    Originally posted by daruckis View Post
    i will have my medical marijuana card in a couple days. im excited.
    Here's a dispensary near your area:

    The MIX
    897 S. Washington Ave. (Suite 50)
    Holland, MI 49423
    616.403.1970

    ... and a delivery service:

    West Michigan Medical Marijuana Farm (based in Grand Haven, MI)
    616.935.7109
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    • Crow
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      • Oct 2010
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      Colorado (US)

      Pot Advocacy Groups File New Ballot Initiatives For Legalization On Colorado 2012 Ballot

      Colorado is the new pot legalization battleground with pot advocacy groups charging towards 2012 as the year marijuana is fully legalized in the state, as The Huffington Post recently reported.
      Thursday night was a huge step toward goal, Marijuana Policy Project, The Drug Policy Alliance, SAFER and Sensible Colorado all joined forces and produced eight different versions of the same initiative seeking legalization of marijuana intended for the 2012 ballot and filed all of them with the Colorado Secretary of State. There are eight different versions of the initiatives so that during the review process, the one containing the proper language that will pass the state’s Title Setting Review Board can be used, according to The Denver Post.
      All of the initiatives are aimed at the same things -- full legalization of both possession and usage (with the exception to public consumption and sale of personally grown pot, that would remain illegal in these initiatives) of an ounce or less of pot for adults 21 and older and the ability for anyone to legally grow up to six marijuana plants themselves, as stated in the initiative’s text.
      There is mention of a 15 percent excise tax for all sales of marijuana that is similar in structure to current alcohol taxation. According to The Denver Post, supporters estimate the tax dollars could generate up to $35 million a year in state revenue, which in one version of the initiative, would be directed towards public school infrastructure funding.
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_864652.html
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      • Crow
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        • Oct 2010
        • 4312

        Originally posted by CannaCare
        I'm filing a lawsuit against King County. I'm a patient with a concealed carry permit from the King County Sheriff's Department and they are denying me the right to purchase a firearm.

        Oregon Supreme Court: Medical Cannabis Patients Have Second Amendment Rights Too


        Great news today from Oregon’s Supreme Court (as compared to SCOTUS!) regarding personal responsibility and liberty in ruling for a medical cannabis patient who was denied their full Second Amendment rights simply because they use cannabis.


        The case was largely championed by NORML Legal Committee member and Amicus chair Leland Berger of Portland and from legal counsel from the National Rifle Association.


        Mr. Berger’s remarks are found below announcing the case today on NORML’s network. The decision can be read here.
        “To conclude: the sheriffs in this case are not excused from their duty under ORS 166.291(1) to issue CHLs to qualified applicants, without regard to the applicant’s use of medical marijuana, on the ground that issuance of CHLs to medical marijuana users would violate a federal prohibition on making false statements about the lawfulness of transferring firearms to such persons. Neither are the sheriffs excused from that statutory duty on the ground that it is preempted by federal law. The sheriffs were without authority to deny petitioner’s CHL applications.”
        I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar ruling in Washington.
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        • ABW
          Member
          • May 2011
          • 793

          Good News..

          I am happy for all of you... We just passed our own laws here in AZ so I am happy to see the slow but steady march towards sanity.(Even though I don't smoke myself) I won't say what type of healthcare that I am in but I can tell you I have yet to see a patient come in for a Cannabis Code...

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          • mh_logic
            Member
            • Apr 2010
            • 61

            I'm hoping we can get some sort of medical legislation passed here in NY. I'm sick of dealing with sketchy people. Would much rather hit up a dispensary.

            Congrats to all of the states (and their residents!) who are making progress in creating just, sane drug policy.

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            • Crow
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              • Oct 2010
              • 4312

              United States

              Advocates File Lawsuit Demanding Federal Government Assess Medical Value Of Cannabis


              A coalition of public interest advocacy groups filed suit today in the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia to compel the Obama administration to respond to a nine-year-old petition to reclassify marijuana under federal law. The suit was filed by attorneys Joe Elford of Americans for Safe Access (ASA) and Michael Kennedy of the NORML Legal Committee on behalf of the Coalition for Rescheduling Cannabis (CRC).

              The Coalition, which includes NORML and California NORML, filed a comprehensive rescheduling petition with the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) on October 9, 2002 challenging marijuana’s Schedule I classification as a controlled substance with “no currently accepted medical use” and a “high potential for abuse.” The agency formally accepted the petition for filing on April 3, 2003, and per the provisions of the United States Controlled Substances Act (CSA) referred the petition to the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in July 2004 for a full scientific and medical evaluation.

              To date, the federal government has not publicly responded to the petition.

              Today’s lawsuit petitions the Court for a writ of mandamus “directing the DEA and the Attorney General to issue a full and final determination on petitioners’ Petition to reschedule marijuana, or, alternatively, state whether it will initiate rulemaking proceedings, within 60 days.”

              It states: “The DEA’s delay here of more than eight years since the rescheduling Petition was filed — and more than four years since it received HHS’ binding evaluation and recommendations — is inexcusable. … This agency delay in acting on the rescheduling Petition is unreasonable, requiring this Court to intervene.”

              Under the CSA, the Attorney General has the authority to reschedule a drug if he finds that it does not meet the criteria for the schedule to which it has been assigned. The Attorney General has delegated this authority to the Administrator of the DEA, presently Michelle Leonhart.

              The 2002 CRC petition seeks to reschedule cannabis from its Schedule I designation to a less restrictive class under the CSA “on the grounds that: (1) marijuana does have accepted medical uses in the United States; (2) it is safe for use under medical supervision and has an abuse potential lower than Schedule I and II drugs; and (3) it has a dependence liability that is also lower than Schedule I or II drugs.”

              NORML filed a similar rescheduling petition with the DEA in 1972, but was not granted a federal hearing on the issue until 1986. In 1988, DEA Administrative Law Judge Francis Young ruled that marijuana did not meet the legal criteria of a Schedule I prohibited drug and should be reclassified. Then-DEA Administrator John Lawn rejected Young’s determination, a decision the D.C. Court of Appeals eventually affirmed in 1994.


              A subsequent petition was filed by former NORML Director in 1995, but was rejected by the DEA in 2001.

              Additional information on this suit will appear in this week’s NORML news update. To receive these e-mail updates free, please sign up here.
              http://blog.norml.org/2011/05/23/adv...e-of-cannabis/
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              • sgreger1
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                • Mar 2009
                • 9451

                For those who may care I stopped smoking trees a month ago to celebrate my 25th birthday, I wanted to be free from all substances for the first time in my life and was able to drop it cold turkey without any issues, I havn't smoked in 4 weeks as of this last friday or something along those lines.

                Meanwhile, my anxiety got out of control so I went to the doctor and they gave me xanax which I took since it was better than feeling like I was having a stroke at the time, and got immediately addicted to it. The doctor made me take it for 14 days and then said to just quit it cold turkey and I had the most insane withdrawals ever. He claims I can't be having withdrawals that early but the pharmacist says it's withdrawals and medical literature says it only takes 7-14 days to get addicted, especially for those who use to drink a lot etc, but my dr is too stupid to know that since he is an HMO PTP. Now I am waiting to get an appointment with a psychiatrist who knows about these types of medicines so I can ween myself off. I got addicted after like the first week and it is the most horrible thing in all of mother nature, I have to take this pill every 4-6 hours or I feel like I am going to have a stroke or a seizure or something, and I get inter-dose withdrawals so it's like I got to choose 3 times a day where I can feel normal for about 2 hours and then it's back to me feeling like i'm going to die since the pill feels like it only lasts for maybe 4 hours at best. And of course I go back to the doctor in a freaked out panic and his solution was to give me harder drugs which I refuse to take. I am like "I came here for mild anxiety and this pill you gave me has me thinking every day is my last day on earth now", his response being "oh than we better add an anti-depressant in there too if you feel down like that". Sigh...

                General Practitioners have absolutely no training nowadays, a google search yields more wisdom than an HMO doctor through blue shield does for God's sake. I want to get off of this pill and be sober but it's been 4 weeks now and I can't stop taking it without feeling like I will die every second. This is the worst i've ever felt, i've done a lot in my life but this pill is the worst. I get fits of rages now if the concentration in my blood isn't just perfect, i'm extremely irritable and easily agitated all day and I always feel like i'm on the verge of having a stroke (right side of body tingling etc), I enrolled in Dahn energy yoga and meditation to try and relax but these pills make it impossible for me to go a day without them. This is slavery and I hate everything about it.

                Trees worked way better but I have a growing 2 year old and cannot smoke marijuana around here be it medicinal in nature or not, so i can't go back to that. Plus, my gift on my 25th birthday was supposed to be freedom from the slavery of substances, and now i've found myself bound by the worst shackles yet. If anyone has any advice on how to get off of this shit please let me know. I take 2 mg a day, I take .25mg every like 4 hours and then 1mg right before bed to make it through the night. What was minor anxiety has now turned into a life threatening feedback loop of panic that has me suicidal at times and randomly bursting with anger and walking around irritable all the time. If anyone has gone through this, help a brother out.

                Sorry to take the discussion away from trees, but I need some help. I have half an ounce sitting in my stash but i'm at a point in my life where I just refuse to do it anymore, I refuse to take things to make me feel better, but when I went to the doctor all they did was get me addicted to the worst thing i've been on yet and me trying to quit it or slowly dose myself down makes me feel like I am going through alcohol withdrawals like I need to be put on life support to survive it. I need help, I know someone here (precious I believe) has had experience with this particular medication and I just need to know what to do to get rid of it. It may be weeks before I can see a psychiatrist who can ween me off of it and I only have 1 refill left and maybe 20 pills, so I got about 80 1mg tablets left. I take less than is recommended by the doctor because I know this drug is dependence forming and I refuse to exceed my 2mg a day even if I feel like i'm going to die. I just want to be sober and off of this shit, but when I tell the doctor he says it's all in my head and that I couldn't possibly be addicted after only a few weeks of daily use, and he prescribed me lexapro to replace it but I hear the side effects of that are just as bad. Isn't there something I can take to manage my anxiety that isn't going to make me feel like a drug addict who has to carry around his happy pills incase I find myself in a stressful situation? I survived all the stress of the army just to come home and be crippled by this little blue pill??? **** that. But it's easier said than done and i'm honestly lost on what to do, my primary doctor is an idiot and just prescribes whatever the drug reps give him so he can't be trusted. I know the internet is no better a source for medical help but at this point I just don't know who to trust, the doctor and the pharmacist both tell me different things and all the people online who have taken this pill seem to have the same withdrawal symptoms as I have, so it can't be all just in my head. There are night where I have to fight off suicidal thoughts and I can't even enjoy time with my daughter now, even though I know it's all just because of the pill but it's so real that I just can't get my mind to ignore it. I feel like every day I might have a stroke and i'm 25 for god's sake and all of my blood work and other test show that i'm healthy.


                The doctor thinks I have cancer and has sent me to an oncologist who I see on thursday, mainly because I lost 50 pounds in 2 months and have agitation, etc etc. I can't even use snus anymore because it gets me into a panic so I pop in a portion for maybe 6-10 seconds and then pop it out, and reuse the same portion throughout the day. I can't even enjoy snus anymore because of this and it's terrible. Someone help if you can.

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                • truthwolf1
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2696

                  I am sure there are some fellow members here that have had similar experiences with that drug and could offer you some advice. It sounds pretty textbook side effects..

                  The only thing I can add is that I went through something similar with alcohol withdrawls years ago. It was pretty much like a never ending mind race of anxiety and panic for 2 months that slowly faded away. Not to mention I dropped a large amount of weight also. I can still use booze but at that time and the amount I used really messed with my brain and body. You could very well have hit a imbalance but dont worry because eventually your body will correct itself. It just might not happen overnight. I never talked anything out with a shrink but that really could be a good idea in your situation. At least with or without some new meds, they would start you on some sort of game plan to ease withdrawls/panic attacks.

                  It sucks when you know something is wrong and it seems like nobody understands but dont worry it will go away.

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                  • nicodude
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 688

                    So you have been taking 2mg a day, in two separate doses?

                    Keep in mind that discontinuing the drug will cause rebound anxiety, where your previous anxiety returns even worse than it was before you started it, but should return to normal over time. This is not to be confused with physical withdrawal symtoms.

                    It can be very painful to stop taking it abruptly, dependence to higher doses can even cause fatal withdrawals.

                    The easiest way to stop taking it is to slowly ween yourself down, the key is slowly. The faster you try to do it, the worse the withdrawals will be. 80 1mg pills should be more than enough to taper off to the point of little discomfort. What you want to do is take enough that you won't be freaking out, but won't be completely relaxed either. So if your normal dose is two 1mg pills a day, take .75mg each dose instead and see if that is enough to get by, if so then continue that dose for a week, then drop it of to .50mg twice a day and keep that up for a week, and so on. Sooner or later your going to want to cut back to dosing only once a day, start by making your last dose of the day smaller than your first, continue do to that until you can stop the second dose. If you feel bad w/d then slow it down, try to stay on the dose you are at for a few days to let your body adjust, try not to increase your dosage again unless absolutely necessary.

                    It is a good idea to set up a taper plan for yourself, like maximum number of days you plan to stay on each dose before tapering down again.

                    When you finally get to a low enough dose, like one .50mg dose a day or less (less is always better) then you can try to drop off and see how you feel, if you are still having w/d then go back on but at an even lower dose, like .25mg a day, again give your body time to adjust and go for it again. Keep in mind though that due to rebound anxiety it may be impossible for you to feel completely normal right after stopping. It's going to be a few days or possibly a week without it before you feel like your "old self" so don't get discouraged.

                    Alprazolam has a half life of around 11hrs, for instance it would take your body 11hrs to metabolize 1mg down to .50mg and in another 11hrs that would be .25mg and so on, you can use that formula to determine exactly how long it will take your body to completely eliminate the drug.

                    There is another even easier option too:

                    Alprazolam is a short acting Benzodiazepine, the effects wear off rather quickly, which is what leads to the mid-dose withdrawals, and contributes to dependence.

                    You can switch to a longer acting benzodiazepine like clonazepam (klonopin), it takes longer to start having effect but lasts alot longer than alprazolam. Compare clonazepam's 35hr half life to alprazolam's 11hr half life. By switching you are essentially doing a automatic self taper plan with the clonazepam, 1 single dose will keep you feeling well longer and it wears off slower, which helps to taper down to a lower dose without having unpleasant w/d, it also makes the final drop off alot more comfortable.

                    Usually .50mg of clonazepam will roughly equal 1mg of alprazolam, but that can vary depending on your body.

                    Talk to your doc about switching due to the longer effects and the lower chance of dependence, say you'd feel more comfortable with it instead of alprazolam. If he doesn't listen it is commonly available on the black market.

                    I would recommend that you continue to smoke weed until you are completely off aplrazolam, you can worry about stopping the pot once the more dangerous substance is gone.

                    Also, alcohol has a similar effect on the brain as benzos, so having a drink when you are really feeling the w/d can be very helpful, especially if it keeps you from taking more of the drug. Just don't over do it.

                    Try taking melatonin and or GABA to help you sleep at night.

                    Good luck!

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                    • nicodude
                      Member
                      • Jan 2011
                      • 688

                      Sorry if there are grammatical/spelling errors, unfinished sentences or random typos in the above post, I've pretty stoned myself right now, lol.

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                      • sgreger1
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        Originally posted by nicodude View Post
                        So you have been taking 2mg a day, in two separate doses?

                        Keep in mind that discontinuing the drug will cause rebound anxiety, where your previous anxiety returns even worse than it was before you started it, but should return to normal over time. This is not to be confused with physical withdrawal symtoms.

                        It can be very painful to stop taking it abruptly, dependence to higher doses can even cause fatal withdrawals.

                        The easiest way to stop taking it is to slowly ween yourself down, the key is slowly. The faster you try to do it, the worse the withdrawals will be. 80 1mg pills should be more than enough to taper off to the point of little discomfort. What you want to do is take enough that you won't be freaking out, but won't be completely relaxed either. So if your normal dose is two 1mg pills a day, take .75mg each dose instead and see if that is enough to get by, if so then continue that dose for a week, then drop it of to .50mg twice a day and keep that up for a week, and so on. Sooner or later your going to want to cut back to dosing only once a day, start by making your last dose of the day smaller than your first, continue do to that until you can stop the second dose. If you feel bad w/d then slow it down, try to stay on the dose you are at for a few days to let your body adjust, try not to increase your dosage again unless absolutely necessary.

                        It is a good idea to set up a taper plan for yourself, like maximum number of days you plan to stay on each dose before tapering down again.

                        When you finally get to a low enough dose, like one .50mg dose a day or less (less is always better) then you can try to drop off and see how you feel, if you are still having w/d then go back on but at an even lower dose, like .25mg a day, again give your body time to adjust and go for it again. Keep in mind though that due to rebound anxiety it may be impossible for you to feel completely normal right after stopping. It's going to be a few days or possibly a week without it before you feel like your "old self" so don't get discouraged.

                        Alprazolam has a half life of around 11hrs, for instance it would take your body 11hrs to metabolize 1mg down to .50mg and in another 11hrs that would be .25mg and so on, you can use that formula to determine exactly how long it will take your body to completely eliminate the drug.

                        There is another even easier option too:

                        Alprazolam is a short acting Benzodiazepine, the effects wear off rather quickly, which is what leads to the mid-dose withdrawals, and contributes to dependence.

                        You can switch to a longer acting benzodiazepine like clonazepam (klonopin), it takes longer to start having effect but lasts alot longer than alprazolam. Compare clonazepam's 35hr half life to alprazolam's 11hr half life. By switching you are essentially doing a automatic self taper plan with the clonazepam, 1 single dose will keep you feeling well longer and it wears off slower, which helps to taper down to a lower dose without having unpleasant w/d, it also makes the final drop off alot more comfortable.

                        Usually .50mg of clonazepam will roughly equal 1mg of alprazolam, but that can vary depending on your body.

                        Talk to your doc about switching due to the longer effects and the lower chance of dependence, say you'd feel more comfortable with it instead of alprazolam. If he doesn't listen it is commonly available on the black market.

                        I would recommend that you continue to smoke weed until you are completely off aplrazolam, you can worry about stopping the pot once the more dangerous substance is gone.

                        Also, alcohol has a similar effect on the brain as benzos, so having a drink when you are really feeling the w/d can be very helpful, especially if it keeps you from taking more of the drug. Just don't over do it.

                        Try taking melatonin and or GABA to help you sleep at night.

                        Good luck!
                        Thanks for that thorough response Nicodude. I was thinking of requesting the klonopin for the exact reasons you mentioned above, but my doctor sucks, he doesn't even believe xanax is easy to get hooked on and he says is one of the safest drugs. Plus the lexapro drug rep obviously pays this guy off because he si constantly pushing lexapro and everything in his office has lexapro written on it (the lexapro drug rep was even there when I was leaving last time!)

                        The thing is that I took xanax a few times, 2 1mg tabs a day, and then as soon as I tried going 12-24 hours without it I had crazy rebound anxiety which he didn't warn me about, so I show up in his office freaking out and he is like "Zomg maybe you have cancer!" and I'm like "OMFG I'M GOING TO DIE!!!!", then I got out and got in the car and was like "shit I don't care if this xanax is bad for me I need to calm down", popped one, and then felt completely normal after about 15-20 minutes.

                        Eventually I realized that my doctor was an idiot and that he took my rebound anxiety/withdrawals and saw that as "my condition getting worse" and told me to stop taking the xanax if I felt like it since it wasn't addictive after taking 2mg a day for a few weeks, and gave me a referral to see an oncologist to screen me for cancer.

                        Its just funny because what's happening here is that I stopped or reduced the amount of xanax I was taking and that gave me crazy rebound anxiety and he saw that as my physiological condition getting worse (even though there is nothing to indicate this is physiological in nature), and so he is circling the wagons around getting me a bunch of MRI's and shit when really all I need to do is get offf this xanax. Now i'm 4 weeks in and I get interdose withdrawals, like I have to take .25mg all day every 4-6 hours but then once about 8pm rolls around I start feeling like i'm going to have a stroke and start worrying about everything and it all comes back, so then I have to take 1 full mg to stop that and last me through the night.

                        And I spoke with a pharmacist who says that it is withdrawal I was experiencing but told me that stopping it cold turkey would probably be fine. The problem is that i go online and everyone who has done that says it's horrible and that it makes the withdrawals worse. It feels almost exactly like alcohol withdrawal which is probably why I am so prone to being addicted to these in the first place, since benzos and alcohol both act as a GABA antagonist.


                        I would like to point out that I was a heavy, daily drinker until about 6 months ago when I stopped drinking entirely, and I think that caused me to have a deficit of gaba which the mj covered up for a while but honestly mj gives me anxiety attacks so I decided to stop that too, and once I was completely off everything is when I had a freakout. I should have just waited it out but now they got me hooked on this. I will try to slowly reduce the amount I take but it's hard because I feel like I need at least that 1mg to sleep at night, but then I have to ge through the day as well, so with 60+ pills hopefully I can make a taper plan and do it right. I just hate how my doctor still claims there are no real side effects from xanax, it's like he's an idiot or something, or possibly willfully ignorant. I looked it up and everything I am experiencing is textbook benzo dependence'withdrawal and not cancer or anything else, but he claims that is impossible at only 2mg a day for 4 weeks.

                        Anyways, thanks for your help man, I have a family member who is an MD and can get them to write me the script for klonapin, that way I won't have to pop like 4-5 pills a day and time them down to the minute...

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                        • daruckis
                          Member
                          • Jul 2009
                          • 2277

                          got my medical marijuana papers. im stoked. i mightve already posted this. my bad if so.

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                          • BadAxe
                            Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 631

                            Originally posted by sgreger1
                            Trees worked way better but I have a growing 2 year old and cannot smoke marijuana around here be it medicinal in nature or not, so i can't go back to that.
                            Are you kidding me man? But you can continue to take chemicals? Why, for the sole fact that is doesn't smell? Or the legality issue?

                            I smoked trees every day of my life. My son is 21. I never smoked around him, and when he reached the age he could understand, I sat down, had the drug talk with him, and explained about pot, explained that I smoked it, showed it to him, and explained that I feel there is nothing wrong with it, but I would prefer he decide what he wants out of life before smoking, because at least with me, it can make you a bit lazy and not persue your dreams. He understood, and to this day has not smoked, but has nothing against it.

                            Don't let having a child stop you from using the cure this planet intended pot to be, and switch over to chemicals, because of the brainwashing and fear mongering over pot, and the pushing of chemicals. You just saw for yourself that chemicals suck.

                            I don't understand why having a child would stop someone from using the medicine they need, just because of its image, or that its "illegal". You know first hand that there is nothing wrong with pot, so why does having a 2 yr old change that?

                            Have you seen Run From The Cure? If that is true, then pot (or its oils) are the cure for cancer, and you are saying you can not take the cure for cancer cause you have a child.

                            Man, get a vaporizer if you are worried about the smell. I have a Da Buddha, and there is little to no smell whatsoever when vaping. I stopped smoking in Feb and vape full time now, and its awesome.

                            Sorry if I sound worked up over this. I just don't get the "I havea child so I can't smoke" theory. Do you ever have a drink? SHouldn't becuase you have a child.

                            Nah, take your medicine, you will be a much better person for it. As as for the child, as long as you do your job as a parent (not questioning your parenting sakills in anyway), then your child will come out just fine, and better for it.

                            Good Luck. Hope you snap out of that brainwashing they just put you under. You were free of it, then you stopped and took chemicals. Now, come on back to us, where you should be, using what this planet intended us to use for our aches, pains, stress, and piece of mind.

                            Those that laugh at that statement and call me a stoner while they reach for their next drink just will never understand, and thats a real shame. But I don't let it bring me down. Vape on. peace.

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                            • StuKlu
                              Member
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 1192

                              Originally posted by BadAxe View Post
                              Are you kidding me man? But you can continue to take chemicals? Why, for the sole fact that is doesn't smell? Or the legality issue?

                              I smoked trees every day of my life. My son is 21. I never smoked around him, and when he reached the age he could understand, I sat down, had the drug talk with him, and explained about pot, explained that I smoked it, showed it to him, and explained that I feel there is nothing wrong with it, but I would prefer he decide what he wants out of life before smoking, because at least with me, it can make you a bit lazy and not persue your dreams. He understood, and to this day has not smoked, but has nothing against it.

                              Don't let having a child stop you from using the cure this planet intended pot to be, and switch over to chemicals, because of the brainwashing and fear mongering over pot, and the pushing of chemicals. You just saw for yourself that chemicals suck.

                              I don't understand why having a child would stop someone from using the medicine they need, just because of its image, or that its "illegal". You know first hand that there is nothing wrong with pot, so why does having a 2 yr old change that?

                              Have you seen Run From The Cure? If that is true, then pot (or its oils) are the cure for cancer, and you are saying you can not take the cure for cancer cause you have a child.

                              Man, get a vaporizer if you are worried about the smell. I have a Da Buddha, and there is little to no smell whatsoever when vaping. I stopped smoking in Feb and vape full time now, and its awesome.

                              Sorry if I sound worked up over this. I just don't get the "I havea child so I can't smoke" theory. Do you ever have a drink? SHouldn't becuase you have a child.

                              Nah, take your medicine, you will be a much better person for it. As as for the child, as long as you do your job as a parent (not questioning your parenting sakills in anyway), then your child will come out just fine, and better for it.

                              Good Luck. Hope you snap out of that brainwashing they just put you under. You were free of it, then you stopped and took chemicals. Now, come on back to us, where you should be, using what this planet intended us to use for our aches, pains, stress, and piece of mind.

                              Those that laugh at that statement and call me a stoner while they reach for their next drink just will never understand, and thats a real shame. But I don't let it bring me down. Vape on. peace.
                              Very well said BadAxe.

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                              • Ansel
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                                • Feb 2011
                                • 3696

                                sgreger1, i can only offer my opinion - sounds like you need a break from the weed whether it be indefinite or not. For me xanax would not be an ideal way to tackle withdrawel symptoms - they are managable without xanax... you just need to allow a little time to ride them out. You will likely get insomnia etc but it won't last long. Good luck mate.

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