420 Use and Health

[BadAxe]

There could not be any more bullshit in that article. Smoking anything is not the healthy. But there is not a shred of truth in that article. Pot is not cancer causing even after a lifetime of smoking it (although vaping is much healthier). Never been one single recorded case of cancer caused by only smoking pot. I just shake my head at drivel propoganda like the referenced article. There are SO many health benefits of pot, especially when ingested in ways other than smoking. Its likely that its actually a cure for cancer. But propoganda like the BS article above will continue to keep brainwashing the sheep that is the population, and keep it illegal, so Big Pharma can keep makiling trillions on their chemicals which have more side effects that good effects. Pot does not cause cancer. Its been proven. And in no way is it more carncenogetic than cigs. What a joke that something like that can beven be published.

[Premium Parrots]

I can't say for sure if it causes cancer but it sure as hell causes obesity.




munchies my dear...munchies

[Skell18]

It interferes massively in people with schizophrenia as does alcohol. Please don't argue with me about this - I have had first hand experience of that - not me I might add.

I know someone who has ended up institutionalised due to smoking cannabis so I fully understand where you are coming from mate.

[sgreger1]

That report is the worst kind of pseudo-science and I am sad that the telegraph has such shitty science reporting (this is a consistent issue).

The tar is more carcinogenic, but you take in less than cigarettes so it doesn't matter, which is why there have been no reported cases of cancer (in fact it retards the progress of tumor growth and other cancer related things, so it is closer to being a cure for cancer than a cause of one). Anyways, a cig smoker will smoke roughly 20 cigs a day, no one is smoking 20 grams worth of joints a day (or if you are than you're an idiot).

As for the schitzo thing, yes if you have schizophrenia or certain other mental health issues, doing drugs like alcohol or marijuana will likely exacerbate your issues. That kind of should be obvious to anyone. It does not however CAUSE those disorders, rather it brings it out and exacerbates existing mental health issues.

Anyways, this article is complete BS and has no actual science behind it whatsoever. It is amazing that in this day and age you can get away with publishing whatever you want. Tryign to spin smoke mj as worse than cigs is just beyond the realm of science and into the world of make believe.

[Skell18]

As for the schitzo thing, yes if you have schizophrenia or certain other mental health issues, doing drugs like alcohol or marijuana will likely exacerbate your issues. That kind of should be obvious to anyone. It does not however CAUSE those disorders, rather it brings it out and exacerbates existing mental health issues.

+1 Whenever you see people who have reacted badly, there has usually been an underlying mental disorder that was either not treated or fully diagnosed.

[Reynard]

As for the schitzo thing, yes if you have schizophrenia or certain other mental health issues, doing drugs like alcohol or marijuana will likely exacerbate your issues. That kind of should be obvious to anyone. It does not however CAUSE those disorders

1998 I was perfectly normal, just finished my A-Levels (graduated from high school). No mental problems, perfectly adjusted. Then I went to University, and spent 6 months smoking very potent cannabis. In April I came back home (from London) to spend Easter with my folks. One night whilst I was home, like a lightswitch, I was plunged into what I later learned was 'acute psychosis' and the beginning phase of paranoid schizophrenia, something I still have and struggle with 13 years later. I have been admitted to an acute psychiatric ward 3 times, and I wouldn't wish this on the devil himself.

I know personally of several other people who have experienced the same set of events.

[Frosted]

My feelings go out to you Vulpes....its a terrible illness that affects a close member of my family.
Schizophrenia, I think, affects 1 in100 people, most not knowing they have it. That's a LOT of people to unwittingly go on a bad trip through cannabis.
Having said that, alcohol is just as bad for sufferers.

[Roo]

Weird, I would think alcohol would "quiet the voices". I was not aware that booze and schizophrenia are less than an ideal combination, except for the obvious conclusion that a paranoid schizophrenic is likely to be far less tolerable to those around him or her when hammered. But that's the case with most of us. Seems like a drink or two, ie very moderate consumption, would calm a person down, schizophrenics included. Admittedly I know very little about the disease however, and have no first-hand experience with anyone I personally know.

[Skell18]

I personally think cannabis is evil for the above reasons, I will never touch it again (tbh didn't do much for me, can get the same way via drink, which I enjoy more!). However as stated previously I don;t judge anyone who does use it, its their choice who am I to criticise. However I do think it has massive benefits for chronic pain and other uses, when the bit that gets you high is removed, what is left can be utilised to great effect as sgreger1 said earlier.

[Reynard]

That kind of should be obvious [cannabis] does not however CAUSE those disorders

I will concede that you have to be susceptible to severe mental illness, ie you need to have the schizophrenic gene, to develop the disease. You need the right (wrong..) type of brain, scans have shown that the structure of people's brains with the disease (note not before) is different to the typical brain. Causality is a whole section of Philosophy, and I won't bore you with it. Sufficed to say that cannabis may have been a Sufficient (but maybe not Necessary) cause of my disease (meaning it would constitute a trigger). I gather that using cannabis whilst the brain is developing - even up to your teens or early twenties - can change its structure permenantly.

It took me years to stop going back to cannabis, as, people with my illness tend to self medicate with this and similar drugs. I obviously don't touch the stuff now.

My feelings go out to you Vulpes....its a terrible illness that affects a close member of my family.
Schizophrenia, I think, affects 1 in100 people, most not knowing they have it. That's a LOT of people to unwittingly go on a bad trip through cannabis.
Having said that, alcohol is just as bad for sufferers.

Thanks mate. To talk to me face to face you wouldn't know I had anything wrong with me, which goes to show that this 1% (that are blatantly not proportionately represented in society) often just fit in, and the rest 'are schizos', or 'mentally ill'

I avoid alcohol, or try my very best to. I experience depression as part of my illness, and alcohol makes it worse

Tobacco however, is very good for schizophrenia. I won't post all the research links, cos I've done it on several occasions. Probably nicotine specifically, improves cognition, attention and memory, sensory gating (being able to filter out all the background noise (that non-schizophrenics do naturally)), and improves negative symptoms like mood and apathy.

And snus is a safe way of getting my dose

[Supervape]

yes it may be more carnicogenic BUT one smokes cigarettes much mmore than when one smokes weed.. basically when it comes down to it when i was smoking I had one every 30 or so minutes.. but when I smoke marijuana it is more few and farther in between.. (NOTE: I live in Michigan and legally prescribed it thanks)

[Frosted]

If I get a chance later Vulpes, can I PM you about this? I'll need some advice as coincidentally things have come to a head for my family member at exactly the same time as we're talking about this. I never new he had schizophrenia even though his behaviour was sometimes bizarre....it only becomes bizarre when under the influence of cannabis or alcohol. I love this guy and need to support him if I can at this difficult time.

[Reynard]

If I get a chance later Vulpes, can I PM you about this? I'll need some advice as coincidentally things have come to a head for my family member at exactly the same time as we're talking about this. I never new he had schizophrenia even though his behaviour was sometimes bizarre....it only becomes bizarre when under the influence of cannabis or alcohol. I love this guy and need to support him if I can at this difficult time.

Of course you can mate.

[sgreger1]

1998 I was perfectly normal, just finished my A-Levels (graduated from high school). No mental problems, perfectly adjusted. Then I went to University, and spent 6 months smoking very potent cannabis. In April I came back home (from London) to spend Easter with my folks. One night whilst I was home, like a lightswitch, I was plunged into what I later learned was 'acute psychosis' and the beginning phase of paranoid schizophrenia, something I still have and struggle with 13 years later. I have been admitted to an acute psychiatric ward 3 times, and I wouldn't wish this on the devil himself.

I know personally of several other people who have experienced the same set of events.

Vulpes, I am sorry to hear that you've had these issues burdening you for so long, but I must point out that thing like schizeophrenia usually do not present themselves until roughly 18 years of age (right after or during high school), and it is extremely common (as Extreme mentioned, 1:100), so to attribute it to the cannabis is a bit premature, especially considering the significant body of research showing that it does not cause schizophrenia. I had a girlfriend who turned schizophrenic shortly after taking mushrooms, but turns out it ran in her family and we had just turned 17 I think, so it is more likely that if the drug had any effect at all, it was an exacerbation of an issue rather than the creation of one.

[Reynard]

Vulpes, I am sorry to hear that you've had these issues burdening you for so long, but I must point out that thing like schizeophrenia usually do not present themselves until roughly 18 years of age (right after or during high school), and it is extremely common (as Extreme mentioned, 1:100), so to attribute it to the cannabis is a bit premature, especially considering the significant body of research showing that it does not cause schizophrenia. I had a girlfriend who turned schizophrenic shortly after taking mushrooms, but turns out it ran in her family and we had just turned 17 I think, so it is more likely that if the drug had any effect at all, it was an exacerbation of an issue rather than the creation of one.

That's a bit glib mate