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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    Originally posted by Vulpes
    SGreger,

    There's no need to apologise, I just hope you can understand why there is passion in my writing. I suppose I've learned to despise cannabis, probably as a mechanism of self defence. Though, you may have preconceptions of how schizophrenics should 'act' or 'seem', and you expect that all schizophrenics should be in acute phase. We're not. I do feel sorry for your bro-in-law mate, I hope he gets better.

    Sorry you have anxiety problems. What coping strategies do you use?



    Haha very drole

    Well it's not so much that I have preconceptions about how those with this illness should "act" or "seem", but rather I am aware that people with this illness suffer at varying degrees. Some are completely functional and just have personal internal battles they have to deal with (and are often helped with medications), while some are completely lost in their own world seperate from reality and don't even believe they have schizophrenia so they won't take their medications, and most fall somewhere in the middle of that spectrum. The only preconception I have is that you appear through your writings here to be on the good end of that scale which is totally awesome and I am glad you aren't suffering from what my brother in law goes through, though I am aware that you have your own struggles as well.

    As for cannabis, I can see why you would be completely against it, because even if there is a remote possibility that it made your condition worse than it would have otherwise been in the absence of marijuana, why advocate for something that could potentially change your life in a negative way? Like being bitten by a dog at a young age and then being afraid of dogs forever, it appears to me as completely rational to have the feelings you have towards marijuana. I caution other users too because while marijuana is generally a benign substance relative to other drugs, it does carry with it the possibility of triggering some issues, especially if those issues already exist or have yet to come forward.

    As for my anxiety, I don't know exactly where it stems from. I noticed it after I smoked MJ for a while, at which point I reluctantly stopped because I kept thinking I was having a heart attack, but then I was in the army for a while and once I got out my anxiety was even worse. I have also used other drugs in the past that certainly made all of this worse, so for me I think it is just a combination of things that have caused this anxiety. I spend at least 5 days out of the week feeling like I am having a stroke or a heart attack and it is so real that I can't help but going to the doctor sometimes because I think I really am having a heart attack. Then they give me some pills and it goes away, so clearly it was all in my head. Right now I am just trying to exercise and keep my BP down since that seems to help the most, I also have some ativan in case I have a panic attack which do happen out of no where and semi-frequently. That way I can just pop one of those and save myself a trip to the ER lol. I tried yoga and meditation and that worked too but I kind fo stopped all that, even though it was very effective.

    In regards to the OP of this article, I will note that this morning on the radio I heard a report stating that something like 30% of high school kids reported that they had smoked marijuana within the past week, as opposed to only like 15% who reported smoking cigarettes. This was attributed to the fact that high schoolers perceive marijuana as less harmfull. By and large, and for the vast majority of people, I would say this perception is correct and harm reduction is always a mantra of mine. At the same time I look to my own struggles and realize that, while 1,000 people may react fine to it, it really sucks if you end up being that one guy who has adverse reactions and it messes you up. Also, like you said, smoking it before your 20's can have notable changes to your brain structure and we still dont' know exactly what that means in terms of side effects or performance over a lifetime. So smoking in high school is probably a terrible idea for a variety of reasons, but most importantly because you are ****ing with your brain. When I was in high school that was not the prevailing opinion so everyone just smoked the shit like it was drinking tea. I don't know if that is what caused my anxiety and frequent panic episodes, but when i stopped it got better, and when i started again it got worse, so to me I would say that (at least in my case), it's the cannabis that is causing (or did cause) it, so I stay away. Plus I am married and have children now so it's not really something I can partake of anyways for the sake of my daughter. I don't really think marijuana is very harmfull relative to drinking alcohol or anything, but you don't want to create an environment where it is seen as normal or acceptable. If she smoked when she was in her 20's I wouldn't be heartbroken or anything, but i'd hate to see her doing that as an adolescent and then saying it was because she saw me doing it my whole life.

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    • Frosted
      Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 5798

      Well, if we're just talking about one illness, schizophrenia which affects 1 in 100, they will have an adverse reaction. There are lots of other things that people have other than schizophrenia which will have an adverse reaction to cannabis, so we're now talking about a huge number of the population having an adverse reaction.

      It personally, like you Sgreger, makes me anxious. I don't like it at all, and because I've got children I'd hate for their growing brains to be damaged by the exceptionally strong stuff going around. If I could, I'd rid the world of the stuff. Yes, there's worse things, like coke and heroin but I don't even want to go there on this conversation.

      Tobacco on the other hand is wonderful.

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      • Reynard
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 804

        As for cannabis, I can see why you would be completely against it, because even if there is a remote possibility that it made your condition worse than it would have otherwise been in the absence of marijuana, why advocate for something that could potentially change your life in a negative way? Like being bitten by a dog at a young age and then being afraid of dogs forever, it appears to me as completely rational to have the feelings you have towards marijuana.
        But...
        There is a very slim chance that if I stroke a dog (after being bitten by one in youth) I will get hurt
        There is a 100% chance that if I use cannabis (after smoking it in youth) i will get very sick.

        So a fear/hatred of dogs is illogical, whereas a fear/hatred of cannabis (within this context) is perfectly sound logically.

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        • Ansel
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          • Feb 2011
          • 3696

          I think cannabis with some of those medications is not a good idea. I remember seeing a book for sale that argued that the medications prescribed for scizophrenia just prolonged the illness having the patient battling the side-effects of the medication while on them and the withdrawel effects if they stopped taking them - didn't read it so can't make a valued judgement on it.

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          • BadAxe
            Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 631

            Originally posted by Skell18
            I personally think cannabis is evil for the above reasons, I will never touch it again (tbh didn't do much for me, can get the same way via drink, which I enjoy more!). However as stated previously I don;t judge anyone who does use it, its their choice who am I to criticise. However I do think it has massive benefits for chronic pain and other uses, when the bit that gets you high is removed, what is left can be utilised to great effect as sgreger1 said earlier.
            Well I am not saying you should feel differently about pot, but to state you will use alcohol instead and you like it more, well, when talking about health concerns, alcohol is absolutely toxic in the human body and there are no positives at all derived from the intake of alcohol. Again, not comparing it to weed in any way, just staying, alcohol is just so bad for humans.

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            • truthwolf1
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              • Oct 2008
              • 2696

              Heavy Drinkers outlive non-drinkers but moderate drinkers live the longest.

              So, a moderate drinker who also is a casual user of MJ probably will hit a 100 with no problems.

              http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2017200,00.html

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              • Skell18
                Member
                • May 2012
                • 7067

                Originally posted by BadAxe
                Well I am not saying you should feel differently about pot, but to state you will use alcohol instead and you like it more, well, when talking about health concerns, alcohol is absolutely toxic in the human body and there are no positives at all derived from the intake of alcohol. Again, not comparing it to weed in any way, just staying, alcohol is just so bad for humans.
                I meant that the may weed made me feel was the same as being drunk makes me feel. I drink moderately, no more than a bottle of red wine a week (shared with my OH) and a few beers, my heavy drinking days are behind me. Anything in excess is bad for you, moderation is the key.

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                • Reynard
                  Member
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 804

                  Originally posted by Skell18
                  I meant that the may weed made me feel was the same as being drunk makes me feel. I drink moderately, no more than a bottle of red wine a week (shared with my OH) and a few beers, my heavy drinking days are behind me. Anything in excess is bad for you, moderation is the key.
                  +1 - Find 'The Middle Way' (Buddhist doctrine)

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                  • Skell18
                    Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 7067

                    Originally posted by Vulpes
                    +1 - Find 'The Middle Way' (Buddhist doctrine)
                    I'm a lawyer too and I knew there was a problem when judges started commenting on my hungover state :P

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      Originally posted by Vulpes
                      But...
                      There is a very slim chance that if I stroke a dog (after being bitten by one in youth) I will get hurt
                      There is a 100% chance that if I use cannabis (after smoking it in youth) i will get very sick.

                      So a fear/hatred of dogs is illogical, whereas a fear/hatred of cannabis (within this context) is perfectly sound logically.
                      Good point.

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                      • sgreger1
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        Originally posted by truthwolf1
                        Heavy Drinkers outlive non-drinkers but moderate drinkers live the longest.

                        So, a moderate drinker who also is a casual user of MJ probably will hit a 100 with no problems.

                        http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2017200,00.html
                        Try telling that to my wife. I drink 2-3 beers on Fri and Sat and occasionally i'll have one on a wednesday, but she thinks I am a raging alcoholic since she doesn't drink. She says that normally 2 beers gets anyone drunk and that i'm just looking to get drunk. I'm like "Jesus christ, i'm drinking like 2 beers on a friday night at 26 years old, it's not that big a deal!". I used to drink a lot more though so I think she is just afraid i'll start drinking heavier again, but I never wll since I can't handle it anymore. Anything more than maybe 3-4 beers and I feel like shit in the morning now, i've become a lightweight.

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                        • Crow
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                          • Oct 2010
                          • 4312

                          I've already beaten this horse to death on the old cannabis thread, so I'll just leave it at that.

                          However, I will say this: cannabis is not suitable for everybody, just as alcohol is not suitable for everyone (or caffeine, or tree nuts, or shellfish, etc). Also, moderation is the key.

                          And to those that enjoy cannabis responsibly -- Have a brownie! Have a cookie! Have a soda!
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                          • truthwolf1
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                            • Oct 2008
                            • 2696

                            Originally posted by sgreger1
                            Try telling that to my wife. I drink 2-3 beers on Fri and Sat and occasionally i'll have one on a wednesday, but she thinks I am a raging alcoholic since she doesn't drink. She says that normally 2 beers gets anyone drunk and that i'm just looking to get drunk. I'm like "Jesus christ, i'm drinking like 2 beers on a friday night at 26 years old, it's not that big a deal!". I used to drink a lot more though so I think she is just afraid i'll start drinking heavier again, but I never wll since I can't handle it anymore. Anything more than maybe 3-4 beers and I feel like shit in the morning now, i've become a lightweight.
                            That really is quite a light drinking lifestyle but very benefiicial if it helps you de-stress... my wife does not like the MJ part in my life because she has never tried it and is a natural self control freak. If she see's my friends offering me a toke then I get that evil rolled back eye look with a "good god"!

                            I think that is the magic word with everything (Stress).

                            If alcohol, mj, exercise or whatever helps in calming you down then you are on the right track. Always being in high strung mode is probably what takes out people quicker over anything else. Many people do not even realize they are in that mode until it is pointed out to them.

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                            • Frosted
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                              • Mar 2010
                              • 5798

                              Originally posted by sgreger1
                              Try telling that to my wife. I drink 2-3 beers on Fri and Sat and occasionally i'll have one on a wednesday, but she thinks I am a raging alcoholic since she doesn't drink. She says that normally 2 beers gets anyone drunk and that i'm just looking to get drunk. I'm like "Jesus christ, i'm drinking like 2 beers on a friday night at 26 years old, it's not that big a deal!". I used to drink a lot more though so I think she is just afraid i'll start drinking heavier again, but I never wll since I can't handle it anymore. Anything more than maybe 3-4 beers and I feel like shit in the morning now, i've become a lightweight.
                              Same here mate. These days 2 tins. Any more and I feel like shit. I used to be able to drink all night - drink anything, wake up and be fine. Not now.

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                              • sgreger1
                                Member
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 9451

                                Originally posted by truthwolf1
                                That really is quite a light drinking lifestyle but very benefiicial if it helps you de-stress... my wife does not like the MJ part in my life because she has never tried it and is a natural self control freak. If she see's my friends offering me a toke then I get that evil rolled back eye look with a "good god"!

                                I think that is the magic word with everything (Stress).

                                If alcohol, mj, exercise or whatever helps in calming you down then you are on the right track. Always being in high strung mode is probably what takes out people quicker over anything else. Many people do not even realize they are in that mode until it is pointed out to them.

                                Thank you, that is exactly my point. I like to drink a beer or two on the weekends at night and unwind, there is no way on earth that can be that damaging. Surgeon general says 2 beers a day, as I tell my wife often, but she would think I was a blatant alcoholic if I drank even half of that. She says it's a lie and that no doctor would say drinking is okay sine I used to drink a lot in the army :/, as though the fact people drink a lot in college or the army when they turn 21 means that drinking a few beers later in life means you are an alcoholic.

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