420 Use and Health

[hippiebrian]

Here's my arguement for the legalization of cannibis in simple layman terms.

A guy comes home from work stressed. He drinks a six pack, a few burbons or whatever his poison is. He gets angry at his wife and beats her.

A guy comes home from work stressed. He takes a couple bong hits, eats a brownie, somkes a dub or however he chooses to imbibe. He gets angry at his wife, then realizes that the Cartoon Network is on 24 hours.

I haven't gotten high in years, however I find no problem with those who choose to. The drug, when used responsibly (i.e. not at work or when driving) it is almost 100% harmless, and the money wasted on drug enforcement in this country is sickening. Legalize it, tax the hell out of it and use the funds to open rehab centers for those who are addicted to actual dangerous drugs (smack, meth and coke for example). I'm done.

[Snusdog]

Guys let me take a swing at this little brouhaha that we have going here and try to explain something of the position that we as moderators have tried to take with this issue.

Let me note before I begin that I am only speaking for myself but I think the following represents the general mind of the other mods………….if not they can chime in with their take.

There seems to be two issues here that need to be distinguished and considered separately.

The first issue being.......... is discussing pot legal
The second issue being......is discussing pot at this time and place wise.

Regarding the first: there is nothing illegal about discussing pot. This issue is regularly debated in every form of media and has even found its way to our legislative chambers. A central part of that debate is the frank discussion of the benefits and adversities of using pot. Thus while snuson is primarily a forum about snus it is not exclusively a forum about snus. Rather, we welcome open and respectful conversations that reflect the greater society in which we live.

Regarding the second issue: snus use is under fire in both the EU and the US. There is a move to criminalize it. Furthermore being the largest snus forum in the world, one would have to expect that others are watching this site for any information that might aid their anti-tobacco position. Regardless, of what you believe about pot, as of this day it remains an illegal substance. We need to be careful then not to criminalize snus by “association” or add fuel to the already growing fire.

For now the moderators are trying to maintain a balance between these two points.

We want snuson to be a place for open discussion. At the same time we recognize the urgent need for discretion and restraint.

So here is the deal:

For those who like this thread, please keep your discussion about all things pot here on this thread. Have fun, speak your mind, but also be mindful of what you are saying and how it might play out beyond the confines of this thread. If you decide to fill the board with countless threads about pot, if you hijack every other thread with the topic, if you try to politicize this site, or rub others noses in you views……..you will upset the balance and cross the line of needed discretion I think we can all see is wise.

For those who don’t like this thread………..don’t read it. But understand your concerns are an equal part of this balance. We take them seriously and are not just throwing caution to the wind.

Thus in conclusion:

If you want a forum devoted to pot ………….there are plenty out there………..however this site is snuson not puffon

If you want a militant site where the nanny state polices every post………….you will also want to look elsewhere.

For the rest……….. play nice……….play smart………….and make it work for everyone

[texasmade]

I still like the group idea. It doesn't show up in the recent posts and the members of the group can discuss it "off of the forum" so to speak. Just an alternative idea if things still dont settle right with everyone.

[Crow]

I think as long as everyone can respect the new rule, this thread will work out just fine.

[Crow]

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[charmando]

We should call it the herbal remedies thread to be less conspicuous. Should I delete my exotic animals thread because certain animals are illegal to own in various states. "New studies show that there is a direct correlating between snusing, marijuana consumption, and exotic animal smuggling."

[Crow]

"New studies show that there is a direct correlation between snusing, marijuana consumption, and exotic animal smuggling."

That would certainly explain PP...

[Frosted]

I took cannabis at university and enjoyed it then - I didn't participate in the 12 years I was in the Army. Upon being de-mobbed I had a smoke and oddly - hated it.
If my kid comes home stoned one day (which he will) I'll have no problem with that - the big problem I have with cannabis these days is the strength which is why I think it should be legalised and therefore controlled, regulated and taxed. That will make it safer. I think prostitution should be legal, controlled and regulated also. By banning anything life becomes much more dangerous for people.

[BadAxe]

danielan - I am sure that you know by now that meth and pot are very different drugs. I do find it comical though that people somehow believe marijuana is a cure all. There are doctors here that will write you a medical marijuana prescription for everything from athletes foot to hunger pains as long as you have their $150.00 fee. At this point, I am convinced that the government should legalize marijuana and then tax the crap out of it. They should also make it illegal to grow your own plants unless it has been taxed. Then they should take a large chunk of that revenue and use it to fund drug rehabs and establish a fund to help reimburse people that have been hurt by people using marijuana.

Hahaha, Wow, how misinformed we are. The medical MJ industry is run the way it is because it was established for the $$$, not for actual medical purposes. States needed money, so they let it be legal for "medical" pupropses. If they really wanted it to be for medical reasons, then long term studies would be being done, and the whole system would be setup differently. But its just about the $$$. So its the gov't fault its run the way its run.

And a fund to help those hurt by MJ? Who the hell has been hurt by MJ? I can totally fund that for you. I got a spare $20. Hurt by MJ, thats a good one.

[Frosted]

Hahaha, Wow, how misinformed we are. The medical MJ industry is run the way it is because it was established for the $$$, not for actual medical purposes. States needed money, so they let it be legal for "medical" pupropses. If they really wanted it to be for medical reasons, then long term studies would be being done, and the whole system would be setup differently. But its just about the $$$. So its the gov't fault its run the way its run.

And a fund to help those hurt by MJ? Who the hell has been hurt by MJ? I can totally fund that for you. I got a spare $20. Hurt by MJ, thats a good one.

Two people I know very well have been affected quite badly by cannabis - one with psychiatric problems directly associated with it and one has recently been having blackouts. I'm not going to argue with anybody here about it - they've both seen medical doctors.

[BadAxe]

Two people I know very well have been affected quite badly by cannabis - one with psychiatric problems directly associated with it and one has recently been having blackouts. I'm not going to argue with anybody here about it - they've both seen medical doctors.

I mean no disrespect, but thats absolute baloney. Not that they have those conditions, but that they were caused by MJ. Seeing medical doctors that blame it on the MJ is laughable. What proof do they have that those conditions were caused by MJ? If MJ caused blackouts and phsyciatric conditions it would be documented. Welll, I won't kkep going because this can only lead to a flame war. Again, I mean no disrespect, but there is just no way those conditions were caused or aggravated by MJ.

[Frosted]

I mean no disrespect, but thats absolute baloney. Not that they have those conditions, but that they were caused by MJ. Seeing medical doctors that blame it on the MJ is laughable. What proof do they have that those conditions were caused by MJ? If MJ caused blackouts and phsyciatric conditions it would be documented. Welll, I won't kkep going because this can only lead to a flame war. Again, I mean no disrespect, but there is just no way those conditions were caused or aggravated by MJ.

Totally understand your point of view but I thought that it was proven that skunk can induce serious psychological issues especially in the younger smoker.

[lxskllr]

Totally understand your point of view but I thought that it was proven that skunk can induce serious psychological issues especially in the younger smoker.

I'm highly skeptical of cannabis /causing/ psychological issues. What I find more plausible is it exacerbating latent issues that already exist. Of course, maybe it does with /some/ people, but I don't think it's accurate to say it causes issues. In other words, I'd say the person affected is defective, the same way people with allergies are. Peanuts don't cause problems for people, but people with defective genes have problems with peanuts. See what I mean?

[Frosted]

I'm highly skeptical of cannabis /causing/ psychological issues. What I find more plausible is it exacerbating latent issues that already exist. Of course, maybe it does with /some/ people, but I don't think it's accurate to say it causes issues. In other words, I'd say the person affected is defective, the same way people with allergies are. Peanuts don't cause problems for people, but people with defective genes have problems with peanuts. See what I mean?

Yeah - I'd buy that but I do reckon some of the stuff out there is way too strong. The stuff I had in 1989 did my head in - I'm scared stiff of skunk!!!!

[precious007]

Two people I know very well have been affected quite badly by cannabis - one with psychiatric problems directly associated with it and one has recently been having blackouts. I'm not going to argue with anybody here about it - they've both seen medical doctors.

Correct !

1 BONUS point.

Cannabis is only addictive psychologically not as a substance (but psychological addiction is much stronger with any drug)

And the fact that usually the human being has an addictive behavior that knows NO limits they end up with such health issues............ end of the rant and cannabis nazzi tea party loooool