420 Policies and Laws

[badlands]

This should pass but it won't. Frosty the snowman would have a better chance surviving August in Tennessee. This would step on so many powerful toes. Big Pharma, most law enforcement, and the whole prison industrial complex. I think there is more money to be had by keeping marijuana illegal. Its just part of the fleecing of America. I'm quite tired of being told that I cannot do something for no other reason than "they" say I cannot. The science does not support current laws.

[TheJanitor]

As far as pot goes, I can buy a joint for the same price I bought it for 10 years ago. Think that would happen if it's legal/taxed? No.
I hope it stays illegal, cause on average you might get busted once or twice in a lifetime and those small fines would pale in comparison to the tax rates they would put on weed.
Just look at tobacco, and it doesn't even give you a buzz.

[badlands]

Here in Tennessee any amount, only a seed will land you straight in jail. You will get a suspended jail sentence of 11 months and 29 days (if its your first offense). One half ounce is a felony. This winds up costing well over a grand. You must make bail, pay fines, pay court costs, pay for marijuana tax stamp, and a year of probationary fees. If you are having a smoke with some friends in the privacy of your home and your kids happen to be on the property, you stand to lose them? Come on, ruining families..For a joint? Weed itself is safer than jail. If this law passes you wouldn't have to pay for marijuana again as you would be able to grow your own. The marijuana grown for you that you would just go by in the store would be taxed. It would still be less as there is no smuggling involved. That is where the higher price of weed comes in. I would pay $8.00 for a pack of joints like i did cigs (pre-snus).

[sgreger1]

As far as pot goes, I can buy a joint for the same price I bought it for 10 years ago. Think that would happen if it's legal/taxed? No.
I hope it stays illegal, cause on average you might get busted once or twice in a lifetime and those small fines would pale in comparison to the tax rates they would put on weed.
Just look at tobacco, and it doesn't even give you a buzz.

No I have to disagree. The problem with MJ is that it's easily grown and the black market supply infrastructre already exists for it. If taxes got too exessive a black market trade would be quick to start up, especially since everyone can grow it.

But look at alcohol, I don't feel that alcohol is taxed too heavily in most places. I pay a few cents per beer, not really a bad deal considering I can go to any store within a blocks radius to get it.

I think the prohibition groups and the smoking nazi's will be all over this like white on rice on a paperplate in a snowstorm with a glass of milk, but they aren't going to have a lot to go off because the medical studies put weed somewhere in the area of anything else; only harmfull if constantly smoked in stupid quantities. I mena the same could be said about salt.


And really, the price should drop with legalisation. The price dropped very significantly in the past few years since they passed the legal medical mj. Competition is fierce in this industry and super top-quality mj can be had pretty cheap. My friend owns several of these dispensaries so I know this as first hand fact from someone in the business. I really don't see the price getting too high, especially if the tobacco companies get into it, which they undoubtedly will. That will be the biggest problem, is that this is going to be placed in the realm of "smoking" and being part of big tobacco.

[sgreger1]

Here in Tennessee any amount, only a seed will land you straight in jail. You will get a suspended jail sentence of 11 months and 29 days (if its your first offense). One half ounce is a felony. This winds up costing well over a grand. You must make bail, pay fines, pay court costs, pay for marijuana tax stamp, and a year of probationary fees. If you are having a smoke with some friends in the privacy of your home and your kids happen to be on the property, you stand to lose them? Come on, ruining families..For a joint? Weed itself is safer than jail. If this law passes you wouldn't have to pay for marijuana again as you would be able to grow your own. The marijuana grown for you that you would just go by in the store would be taxed. It would still be less as there is no smuggling involved. That is where the higher price of weed comes in. I would pay $8.00 for a pack of joints like i did cigs (pre-snus).

I suspect that cultivation for private uses will be pretty rare still. It really takes a lot of work and a bit of money to grow something equal to what you would get in a store. They are so delicate and there's a whole science to it. I suppose if you wanted to grow your own shwagg it would be pretty cheap. Like brewing your own beer, it can be done cheap, but for good beer it takes quite a bit of skill.

[badlands]

Growing good weed is a lot easier than making beer Not that I've ever made beer. I do make wine though and its a messy pain in the ass. Growing mj is quite relaxing, a little expensive to start especially indoors. High pressure sodiums and metal halides dont come cheap. I have grown many years and one could grow better than mexican schwag after reading for 15 minutes.

[sgreger1]

Growing good weed is a lot easier than making beer Not that I've ever made beer. I do make wine though and its a messy pain in the ass. Growing mj is quite relaxing, a little expensive to start especially indoors. High pressure sodiums and metal halides dont come cheap. I have grown many years and one could grow better than mexican schwag after reading for 15 minutes.

Yah, if its something that interests you it could be done pretty easily. Depending on your setup, whether hydroponic or natural soil, outdoor/indoor, and the type of lighting used, it can cost from $20 all the way up to a few thousand. But I really think only a few hardcore "connesours" will be doing this, at least at first.

[sgreger1]

So it turns out that prop 19 didnt cause massive turnout amongst the youth as predicted. Infact exit polls are showing that very few young peop[le voted yes, or even cared for that matter. Though the young support iut more than the 40+ and 65+ crowd, who pretty much al voted no.

We'll see, but things aint looking good. Well it has been about 30 years since prop 19 was first on the ballot. Your day will come you stoners.

[sgreger1]

We'll just have to wait. The polls taken showed it losing when they were administered by human beings, but when they were taken by Robocalls it passed. So there is a train of thought that people are embarrassed to say they want it to a person but when they're behind closed doors they'll vote for it.

[texasmade]

I'm all for legalization, but **** prop 19.

[sgreger1]

I'm all for legalization, but **** prop 19.

Lol, please explain that statement sir!

Your pro legalization, but anti-the legislation that would legalize it? The legislation seems fair and covers a lot of its bases as far as peoples fears. Im not sure whats not to like about it?






/legalization, how does it work?

[texasmade]

Go read over what they have for 2012 if this doesn't go through. It's a lot better. You have all these corporations out there that are eager to snatch this up and run with it. Monsanto would have a patent out within days. Big Tobacco would dip their hands in. It's just not good. Mass production = inferior product. It also limits the amount one can grow for personal use.

[sgreger1]

Go read over what they have for 2012 if this doesn't go through. It's a lot better. You have all these corporations out there that are eager to snatch this up and run with it. Monsanto would have a patent out within days. Big Tobacco would dip their hands in. It's just not good. Mass production = inferior product. It also limits the amount one can grow for personal use.

Its a very well crafted bill if you ask me, it brings legalization in a way thats not so in your face. You can have an ounce or more at any given time, and you know you wont get in trouble for more. You can grow it yourself too.

If its legal, there is no way to stop the big businesses from selling it. Its ca's largest cash crop, and the tobacco companies have been wanting it legal for years. Inferior product? Not quite. Growers today will continue selling, and im sure the tobacco companies will come out with a mass produced mid grade weed to splice with cigs or something.


Im just saying, this would be a huge win for the people.

If your only argument is that big companies will get in on the industry, than i guess we should stop passing any legislation. The one in 2012 wont be able to stop corporations from getting in on the biz. Free market. Plus big companies have the push to make it legal in every state. Getting something like prohibition repealed means you have to have the big money and lobbies on your side.


I dont see how anyone loses with prop 19.



I dont smoke and wouldnt start if it became legal, for me this is about restricting government back to where it belongs. Banning plan consumption for adults is silly and not the job of the gov. I really could care less about anything else in regards to the bill. Its a win for the people just bevause it slaps the feds hands and says "no, not yours..."

Plus i want to see obama campaign against weed and have all the high schools kids pissed at him. He already broke his promise last time, and this would be just epic.

[lxskllr]

Listen to this article from NPR...

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPl...83&m=130801952

It isn't as clear cut as it seems on the surface.

[sgreger1]

Listen to this article from NPR...

http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPl...83&m=130801952

It isn't as clear cut as it seems on the surface.

Hmm, im gonna need more incentive than that to stoop to the level of listening to npr.

Its pretty clear cut. Still cant show up to work high, cant drive your car high, and you can only have up to an ounce or grow a 25 square foot pot farm, but really i dont see what the opposition would be. Ive read the whole thing and it all seems relitavely legit as far as legalization goes. Even goes into effect the day after the election.


I feel like people are grasping at straws, this would be historic legislation, ending decades of pot prohibition.

Can you give me one reason why its not clear cut? If its legit ill listen to npr lol. Decent tradeoff.