420 Policies and Laws

[Joe234]

I will direct to my post about 5 above yours here, where I said:

"I don't think i'm on board to legalize everything, even though i think it would probably do some good, but mary j is a no brainer. Call me in november when we legalize it here in CA. "

In the post you quoted I was referring to the opium and cocaine trade in particular, not weed.

I'm from Santa Cruz, pretty close to humboldt which is the weed capitol of CA, and I have 2 friends that own cannibis clubs here and in several other states. I am very positive it's going to be legal this year

Cool.

I guess I should got all the facts before I put words in you mouth.


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[sgreger1]

Cool.

I guess I should got all the facts before I put words in you mouth.


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Come pay us a visit in november, it's gonna be a nationwide block party! lol

[danielan]

Come pay us a visit in november, it's gonna be a nationwide block party! lol

I don't think it is going to be so good.

So, CA legalizes this for non-medicinal use.

Neighboring states don't. The Federal government doesn't.

CA people realize that they can go to the store and buy this, then drive over to a neighboring state and sell it at a huge profit.

Widespread smuggling ensues. The neighboring states demand Federal satisfaction.

The Feds get involved: Things get bad. Lawsuits, widespread federal enforcement actions, riots, etc.

The Feds don't get involved: Things get bad. Lawsuits, massive roadblocks which impede interstate commerce, neighboring states having to lock up a bunch of Californian's, etc.

IMO, at a minimum CA will have to defend against (and lose) lawsuits, the DEA will have to expand, etc.

[sgreger1]

I don't think it is going to be so good.

So, CA legalizes this for non-medicinal use.

Neighboring states don't. The Federal government doesn't.

CA people realize that they can go to the store and buy this, then drive over to a neighboring state and sell it at a huge profit.

Widespread smuggling ensues. The neighboring states demand Federal satisfaction.

The Feds get involved: Things get bad. Lawsuits, widespread federal enforcement actions, riots, etc.

The Feds don't get involved: Things get bad. Lawsuits, massive roadblocks which impede interstate commerce, neighboring states having to lock up a bunch of Californian's, etc.

IMO, at a minimum CA will have to defend against (and lose) lawsuits, the DEA will have to expand, etc.

I propose it would play out entirely opposite of that:

It is already legal here, for $150 anyone who pleases may consume, purchase, transport or grow marijuana, no questions or exceptions, anyone with $150 to get the card. None of the above things you listed have happened.

I think the state will make a profit from taxing it, and will reduce overhead by lessening strain on law enforcement, the courts, and the prisons. Other states will follow after seeing how successful it was.

How do I know it will play out this way? Because after we made medical (lol) mary J legal, a dozen other states followed. None of the things you described happened and if it’s legal in the state, the feds have very little they can do about it since state government doesn’t have to enforce the federal law, the federal ATF or DEA would have to do that and they don’t have the resources.


So overall once people see the $$$ coming in, they will copy us, just like they did in the past. No reason to even make hypotheticals, weed is really already legal here, this ballot measure is just making it official. Do not be fooled though, any healthy person for $150 can legally smoke weed all day in whatever quantity they please under existing law so it’s really already de-facto legalization over here.

[Owens187]

The potency of marijuana has not increasing the the last 20 years.
There has been good stuff around since the 80's grown with halide
lights. Don't believe everything you read.

Remember the film Reefer Madness?

. . . Obviously you aren't from California. LOL.

[Owens187]

I propose it would play out entirely opposite of that:

It is already legal here, for $150 anyone who pleases may consume, purchase, transport or grow marijuana, no questions or exceptions, anyone with $150 to get the card. None of the above things you listed have happened.

THIS.

How do I know it will play out this way? Because after we made medical (lol) mary J legal, a dozen other states followed.

Like it or not, this is the truth. Whatever California does, the nation follows.

[sgreger1]

Also Danielan, on the interstate commerce thing, under the new law you would be able to use it in your homes but not anywhere in public or outside of california, so theres no real problem to interstate commerce. Your right to have mary j in your trunk dissapears at the border. Also, riots don't happen when everyone's blazed lolol.

But CA is already abundant in CA, and there has been no problems with neighboring states that don't have it legal already, so I doubt this will change much. If anything it will create more tourism in CA and neighboring states will come and spend their money here.

Think about it, a malibu beach resort where you can come and smoke a joint/drink a corona on the beautifull west coast as ferraris litter the streets on the local highway. Beautifull. Oh, and they already have pot resorts as I described above here in CA, though they are not widely succcessfull at this time since they are new.


@ Owens. Lol you know what's up. Everyone loves smoking weed just like everyone likes drinking beer. If we legalize it and make money, every state i the union will follow. Well, minus the bible belt which will make stupid rules like you can't use it till 12pm and not on sundays, but screw them anyways.

[danielan]

It is already legal here, for $150 anyone who pleases may consume, purchase, transport or grow marijuana, no questions or exceptions, anyone with $150 to get the card. None of the above things you listed have happened.

Right now it is a prescription (I agree on the LOL bit). Legalization essentially stamps recreational usage with government approval. At the bare minimum I'd bet you lose your Federal highway funds and various other federal payments. Remember the 21 drinking age federal blackmail?

I guess we'll see come November.

[danielan]

But CA is already abundant in CA, and there has been no problems with neighboring states that don't have it legal already, so I doubt this will change much. If anything it will create more tourism in CA and neighboring states will come and spend their money here.

There's lots of "harm" to other states right now, but as long as the state is officially against it they aren't really liable for the problems. IMO, this changes when the state legalizes it. (Because we all know, not being against it is the same as being for it - i.e., why we MUST tax tobacco).

[Joe234]

. . . Obviously you aren't from California. LOL.

Oregon

It's been high potency for years.
There is just more high grade now.

[tom502]

Pass the J! Someone was gonna mail me some spice, but it never showed.

[Joe234]

What would be fascist is if they had random drug screenings for every citizen. What is not fascist is saying that if on welfare or unemployment you must be a) actively looking for work or persuing education, and b) pass routine drug tests.


People who think it's American to live off the government (taxpayers) money yet have no responsibility are the reason why we are bankrupt. It's somehow fascist to ask people to not spend our taxpayer money on drugs, go figure.

I don't agree. Why test the poor and the unemployed while the rich get drunk
and snort their coke on Wall Street?


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[Owens187]

Oregon

It's been high potency for years.
There is just more high grade now.

Oh its absolutely many times more potent than 20 years ago. Many times. And as far as Halide lights, they just absolutely CANNOT compare to California's big yellow Halide in the sky . . .

"First, marijuana potency has more than doubled within the past 10 years. "

-- U.S. Drug Czar John P. Walters, Marijuana Policy Just Right, USA Today, May 18, 2005, p.10A

(Actually, it's gone up about 47 percent, comparing 1993 and 2003)


Here's a graph showing increase from 1972 to 2004 alone:

[Fury]

THIS.




Like it or not, this is the truth. Whatever California does, the nation follows.

I sure as hell hope not, California gun laws SUCK!

[Fury]

I don't agree. Why test the poor and the unemployed while the rich get drunk
and snort their coke on Wall Street?


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Dude, they are poor and unempolyed because they are mooching off of our tax money to buy drugs and can't pass a piss test to get a job... no habla engrish?