420 Policies and Laws

[Crow]

We can 1/4 lb in our houses or a certain number of plants etc.

Alaska, eh??

That amount was slashed down to 1 ounce several years ago (pre-Palin); courtesy of the Murkowskis.

I hear rumblings of legalisation in Alaska... Best luck to you all.

[Zimobog]

Yep, good old AK. It is truly murky if it is even actually legal here, as many cops will arrest you for it and several times legislation as come around to make it illegal/legal. But the courts maintain the Rabin ruling.

There are only two negative effects of marijuana: the black market and the government. And the only cure for both is 100% legalization.

Anything else leaves you with the both still in charge.

[BadAxe]

This sort of half-legal status won't eliminate the criminals trafficking, it won't stop the drug war, and it won't stop human beings from going to jail. That is the goal, right? No more Drug War?

The only thing that will stop the drug war is legalizing ALL drugs. But I don't believe it would take total freedom to stop it. You no longer see alcohol wars, people no longer go to jail for running booze, making booze, etc.... (for the most part) They did not make alcohol completely unregulated, they regulated it and made it legal. The same would apply for weed. You will find little to no street dealers for weed if weed was federally legal. The youngins would be the only market left, and they would just try to get it from those who are getting it legal(Kinda like hanging outside a bar asking people to buy you a 6 pack).

Anything that consumers want, that can be taxed, will ALWAYS be regulated, it will never be total freedom, so I am not sure why you would expect that of weed. When they see how many use it, why would any gov't just say "Ok its legal, go do whatever you want". Not in this world. They want their piece.

But if they made all drugs legal, and can be purchased from a regulated store, it would absolutely end the drug war, and for the most part, get rid of all street dealers, and remove the cartels from this country. Why would they have reason to stay?

I am in complete favor of what you want, and would choose total freedom in an instant. But I do disagree that it being regulated and taxed, will not have a positive effect on the street dealers and the war on drugs. Because it will have a large effect. Just like legalizing alcohol did after prohibition.

[Zimobog]

Bad Axe, glad we can agree that freedom is better.

That said, teens buying alcohol is in no way the entire alcohol black market. Same with tobacco. You wouldnt say that the entire tobacco black market has been reduced to underagers buying would you?

Tobacco and alcohol black markets are alive and well. Traffiking in contraband products to avoid taxes, smuggling from overseas, hijacking shipments, fraudulent transfers (laundering) are all alive and well in 21st century USSA and anywhere else alcohol and tobacco are regulated and taxed and free production and sales are disallowed.

I am originally from the Deep South. Why are people still moonshining if alcohol is available? Risking going to jail for tradition is stupid, risk for insane profits with little overhead (minumum wages, taxes, regulations) makes sense to the people who choose to take the chance.

Werent we just reading how many thousands of packs of illegal cigarettes are in NYC? Why do they risk it? I can assure you it is the same situation in Florida were cigs from all over the world.

How strong do you like your smoke? What happens when it is decided that the finest kind is for medical use and OTC should be throat-sorching ditchweed? Blackmarket. What happens when you can save 50% by buying from Sven instead of 7-11? Blackmarket. What happens when you run out and the store is closed? Blackmarket.

The ATFE exists as fully militarized jackbooted force to stop the trafficing of what again?

Why are people saying there is zero chance of fully legal unregulated weed? Why not try?

[BadAxe]

Why are people saying there is zero chance of fully legal unregulated weed? Why not try?

Try What, and How? In a world that revolves around money, and I mean every single thing in this world boils down to the almighty dollar, how are you going to get a gov't to take something immensely profitable and taxable, and give up those millions, no, billions of dollars? If there is anything that is an absolute certainty in this world, that there, is on the short list. The gov't has made billions and billions from the "War On Drugs", and they will continue to make billions on legal trade as well. There is absolutely nothing that could be done to just make it legal and free.

[Crow]

Maybe I need to break down the first pie.............. using another pie !



Mmmmmm... Blueberry and apple..... My favorite!

[Zimobog]

Try What, and How? In a world that revolves around money, and I mean every single thing in this world boils down to the almighty dollar, how are you going to get a gov't to take something immensely profitable and taxable, and give up those millions, no, billions of dollars? If there is anything that is an absolute certainty in this world, that there, is on the short list. The gov't has made billions and billions from the "War On Drugs", and they will continue to make billions on legal trade as well. There is absolutely nothing that could be done to just make it legal and free.

Haven't you guys ever watched vampire movies? Never invite the bloodsuckers in your house!

For starters, tell the so-called government to fcuk off. It's none of their business. Who cares how much money there is to be made. Demand that it is our right to smoke, grow, sell, and buy whatever we want from goat cheese to lettuce to cannibis without their permission/blessing/license/permit/oversight/opinions.

Supposedly, they work for us not we for them. I go further and insist that they are completey illegitamate and usurpers of our rights to own ourselves.

In reality: the government doesn't really exist and only has as much credibility as you and I willingly give. Instead of "Good evening, Officer. What seems to be the problem?" we should be saying, "Good evening, man in a funny costume. WTF are you doing on my property?"

Just ask any well-connected Sicilian gentleman if the Mafia exists, you will at least get an honest answer. There is no Mafia, and there is no government.

So I hear this morning the MPC is trying to start up a petition here in Alaska to get marijuana on the ballot again. The MPC proposal want to reduce us down to an ounce (in-home, over 21 YOA) or six plants only two of which may be mature. They want to have a State Marijuana Board to tax it. So I have been calling radio shows against it. We can already possess more than that proposal, grow more than that proposal, and do it in freedom in our own homes. Any Alaskan who wants to smoke weed in his own home already can! We don't need a bunch of rent-seeking government parasites getting in on the reefer madness here! The conservatives and libertarians here will kill that proposal with absolute quickness, lets all hope it doesn't rile the conservatives into a counter-proposal to recriminalize it.

Look at the graph Crow posted here above^^^. Look at all that money they want, the new "jobs" and offices it will create... As if the so-called government was already a bloated fat fcuking pig already! lol Who came up with that?

[Crow]

Haven't you guys ever watched vampire movies? Never invite the bloodsuckers in your house!

For starters, tell the so-called government to fcuk off. It's none of their business. Who cares how much money there is to be made. Demand that it is our right to smoke, grow, sell, and buy whatever we want from goat cheese to lettuce to cannibis without their permission/blessing/license/permit/oversight/opinions.

Supposedly, they work for us not we for them. I go further and insist that they are completey illegitamate and usurpers of our rights to own ourselves.

In reality: the government doesn't really exist and only has as much credibility as you and I willingly give. Instead of "Good evening, Officer. What seems to be the problem?" we should be saying, "Good evening, man in a funny costume. WTF are you doing on my property?"

Just ask any well-connected Sicilian gentleman if the Mafia exists, you will at least get an honest answer. There is no Mafia, and there is no government.

So I hear this morning the MPC is trying to start up a petition here in Alaska to get marijuana on the ballot again. The MPC proposal want to reduce us down to an ounce (in-home, over 21 YOA) or six plants only two of which may be mature

(Crow Note: it's three mature plants, not two).

They want to have a State Marijuana Board to tax it. So I have been calling radio shows against it. We can already possess more than that proposal, grow more than that proposal, and do it in freedom in our own homes. Any Alaskan who wants to smoke weed in his own home already can! We don't need a bunch of rent-seeking government parasites getting in on the reefer madness here! The conservatives and libertarians here will kill that proposal with absolute quickness, lets all hope it doesn't rile the conservatives into a counter-proposal to recriminalize it.

Look at the graph Crow posted here above^^^. Look at all that money they want, the new "jobs" and offices it will create... As if the so-called government was already a bloated fat fcuking pig already! lol Who came up with that?

How dare the government use our tax money for health care, youth drug prevention, and public health education...........!!



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We can already possess more than that proposal, grow more than that proposal, and do it in freedom in our own homes.

No....... You can't.

As I mentioned before, the amounts were slashed down by the Murkowskis (right before the arsehole left office). Which, according to your State court system, is currently being interpreted as one ounce. Hence, this proposal would not reduce anything. Rather, it would legitimise what has been interpreted to date.

What you have at the moment, is an affirmative defence that has been backed by the Alaskan State Supreme Court based on their interpretation of "Ravin v. Alaska" and the State Constitution.... Nothing more.

You even admitted yourself that you're not sure whether it's actually legal or not in Alaska (your e.g., police still reserve the right to arrest you).

[Zimobog]

How dare the government use our tax money for health care, youth drug prevention, and public health education...........!!

How dare the Mafia use our extorsion money to hold block parties and parades and support their local Catholic churches!

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[Crow]

How dare the Mafia use our extorsion money to hold block parties and parades and support their local Catholic churches!

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Either I've smoked too much pot............. or not enough...........

[Zimobog]

No....... You can't.

As I mentioned before, the amounts were slashed down by the Murkowskis (right before the arsehole left office). Which, according to your State court system, is currently being interpreted as one ounce. Hence, this proposal would not reduce anything. Rather, it would legitimise what has been interpreted to date.

What you have at the moment, is an affirmative defence that has been backed by the Alaskan State Supreme Court based on their interpretation of "Ravin v. Alaska" and the State Constitution.... Nothing more.

You even admitted yourself that you're not sure whether it's actually legal or not in Alaska (your e.g., police still reserve the right to arrest you).

That's right, is foggy here whether or not it is legal, mainly cause cops are armed bullies who do what they want.

Here is a quote from today's ADN:

....Alaska's marijuana laws are among the most liberal in the nation. In 1975, the state's Supreme Court ruled that a person's privacy included the right to possess up to 4 ounces of marijuana in his or her home -- which is more than the new proposal would allow.
Read more here: http://www.adn.com/2013/04/16/286735...#storylink=cpy

It will not increase the amount of bud someone can have in their house in Alaska. It will, however, increase the size and scope of the government mafia. Right now, it is only a Class C misdemenor to possess more than that amount, one step above a speeding ticket. What will the big-mafia classify the producing cannabis without a "licsense" as if this is passed (don't worry, it wont pass.)? It will probaly be a federal mafia "crime" by the time the thugs at the ATFE(M) get ahold of it, but I guess we don't know cause noone is thinking that far ahead.

You, Mr.Crow, admit that in Alaska we have a positive defense, and a Constitutional right. Why the heck do I also need a tax and a licsense?


At least we agree Frank was a Wank. You can't be all bad if you think that, Crowster!

[Crow]

The Anchorage Daily News fails to mention the Senate bill that was passed in 2006 that classified anything over 4 ounces as a felony, and anything under 4 ounces as a misdemeanor. The ACLU challenged, and the judge established the exemption limit at one ounce.

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You, Mr.Crow, admit that in Alaska we have a positive defense, and a Constitutional right. Why the heck do I also need a tax and a licsense?

I said that the State Supreme Court is interpreting "Ravin v. Alaska" and the State Constitution under the same umbrella. That doesn't mean they can't change their minds later on.

Which is why you lot need a legalisation measure on the ballot......... Let's all hope you guays don't screw up again like you did in 2004.

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It will not increase the amount of bud someone can have in their house in Alaska.

I never said it would increase. I said it would legitimise current court interpretation of a prior case dating back to 1975.

[Crow]

At least we agree Frank was a Wank. You can't be all bad if you think that, Crowster!

It's almost impossible not to arrive at that conclusion. His approval rate was 19% when he left office.

Which begs the question........... Why haven't you lot given his daughter (Sen. Lisa Murkowski) the boot yet?

Not that it really matters, I guess......... Alaskan politics is a screwy mess (to say the least); so I suppose I can understand your harsh criticism of government and authority on some level.

[Crow]

Cannabis = Vapes & eCig?

[Crow]

Canadian Lottery Winner Commits $1 Million For Marijuana Legalization

The NORML Women’s Alliance of Canada announced via Marketwired:

TERRACE, BRITISH COLUMBIA–(Marketwired – April 18, 2013) – On Saturday April 20(th) , activists and cannabis enthusiasts will gather in cities across Canada, including Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Toronto, Ottawa, Halifax and Yellowknife. It is hoped the events will be a watershed moment for cannabis law reform as Canadians seek to follow their American counterparts and end the social injustice of cannabis prohibition.

This year, the annual nationwide 420 celebrations are entirely sponsored by lottery winner Bob Erb.

When Bob Erb started buying lottery tickets in the early 1970s, ending the war against cannabis may have seemed more likely than hitting the jackpot.

On November 2, 2012, four decades of playing the lottery paid off: Bob Erb won a $25,000,000 jackpot. Two days later, Canadian laws regarding cannabis changed too as mandatory minimum sentencing for cannabis offences came into effect.

To some, winning the lottery would mean retiring from a life-long career of cannabis activism. But to a man who describes the criminalization of cannabis as the “biggest social injustice” of his lifetime, the money meant a chance to do more.

Bob Erb has championed social justice issues, including cannabis law reform, for decades. He has seen firsthand the harm and waste caused by cannabis prohibition, and has set about making change. Particularly, he has tried to create change from within: in 2001 he ran as a Marijuana Party candidate in the BC provincial election and the following year he ran for mayor. Both times his message was clear: its time for a change on cannabis.

Looking to the future, Bob has pledged one million dollars to fund national campaigns to end the criminal prohibition of cannabis and enact positive regulations regarding use, production and consumer safety. His goal is to see a pro-reform party elected in the next Canadian federal election.

So far, Bob Erb’s contributions to the cannabis reform movement can be felt nationwide. In February he had a conference in his hometown of Terrace, BC. The conference brought together activists and policy experts from across Canada to discuss strategy for the future.

As a result of the conference, Bob committed one million dollars to legalize cannabis in Canada and pledged support to various reform organizations including Sensible BC, the NORML Women’s Alliance of Canada, NORML Canada, Stop the Violence BC and the 420 rallies.

This Saturday, tens of thousands of Canadians will gather from coast to coast advocating cannabis law reform. Hopefully, individuals will feel part of something bigger than themselves or the local rally they attended.

Bob Erb’s generosity has jump-started a national campaign to elect a new government ready to undertake modern approach to cannabis regulation. Advocates are confident cannabis law reform will be an issue in the next federal election. This year’s 420 rallies will be a call to voters and the beginning of a movement in the name of Bob Erb.

NORML Women’s Alliance of Canada
Kelly Coulter
(613) 331-1489

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