Here we go again - Injuries, shooter reported at high school near Portlandia!

[Joe234]

Here we go again - Injuries, shooter reported at high school near Portlandia!

http://q13fox.com/2014/06/10/breaking-reports-of-active-shooter-at

Police: Suspected high school shooter dead

By CNN Staff

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Shooting reported at an Oregon high school
• Police say the area is secure
• There are injuries reported, but no one killed, police say

Video
http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/10/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

(CNN) -- Injuries, but no deaths, were reported at the hands of a shooter at a high school near Portland, Oregon, Tuesday morning, police agencies said.

The shooter, however, is dead, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office said.

About an hour after the shooting, Oregon State Police said the area was secure, and that the situation is contained. No one was killed in the shooting, state police spokesman Lt. Greg Hastings said.

The shooting happened at about 8 a.m. PT at Reynolds High School in Troutdale, about 12 miles east of Portland, said Sue Strickland of the Troutdale Police Department.

A semi-automatic weapon was involved in the shooting, she said.

Classes were in session at the time, Strickland said. It wasn't clear how many people were injured, and details about what led to the shooting weren't immediately available.

A couple of SWAT teams responded, Strickland said.

CNN first learned of the shooting through reports on Twitter.

[talltexan]

It just goes on and on. I'm going to go out on a limb here and it may or may not make me popular but , I believe that if every law abiding citizen were armed these things would happen less and could be stopped more quickly. Just my two cents.

[alopezg1]

It just goes on and on. I'm going to go out on a limb here and it may or may not make me popular but , I believe that if every law abiding citizen were armed these things would happen less and could be stopped more quickly. Just my two cents.

far out!

[alopezg1]

I suppose if you are used to guns being around in your culture then that may seem logical..... but surely if there were no guns in the first place
no one would need to shoot anyone else? either to protect themselves or otherwise. Just my 2 cents as well ( or pence) and it probably doesn't concern me all the way over here

[squeezyjohn]

I've been down that route on this forum alopezg1 ... and believe me it's not worth the hassle.

I prefer to just know that I'm right and if it carries on the way it's going soon everyone in the US will have shot each other to death in self-defence - once that's happened, we Europeans can start again with a blank canvas and learn from the mistakes of the first experiment

[Joe234]

It just goes on and on. I'm going to go out on a limb here and it may or may not make me popular but , I believe that if every law abiding citizen were armed these things would happen less and could be stopped more quickly. Just my two cents.

That argument has been made time and again. It would likely just end up with more collateral damage as even
the New York PD accidentially shot about 6 citizens just awhile back.

And anyone who thinks they could have stopped the Joker.... Well he had riot helmet, flac jacket shin guards and more.
The argument is simple. This may not be popular with the Rednecks. But as Piers Morgan had pointed out, before he quit
CNN as he said , Americans don't want to be lecture about gun control by someone with a Brit accent, 12,000 gun deaths
annually in the United States of Illegal Occupation of Afghanistan vs 33 in England.

Yea by the way. The Taliban are not terrorists, had nothing to do with 911 and were once the Government of Afghanistan.
We went in for a 1-2 year sweep of Al Qaeda and then stayed and got into their civil war. Al Qaeda is gone and Bin Ladin
was shot in Pakistan. A Colonel on CNN said the Taliban are only fighting us because we are there. Bergdahl is a Patriot.
The USA is an illegal occupation force.

Ma ah Salama

[alopezg1]

I've been down that route on this forum alopezg1 ... and believe me it's not worth the hassle.

I prefer to just know that I'm right and if it carries on the way it's going soon everyone in the US will have shot each other to death in self-defence - once that's happened, we Europeans can start again with a blank canvas and learn from the mistakes of the first experiment

haha

[alopezg1]

It is sad though

[Joe234]

I've been down that route on this forum alopezg1 ... and believe me it's not worth the hassle.

I prefer to just know that I'm right and if it carries on the way it's going soon everyone in the US will have shot each other to death in self-defense - once that's happened, we Europeans can start again with a blank canvas and learn from the mistakes of the first experiment

When is the last time I heard of a gun used in self defense. Can't recall. Must not be many vs all the nuts and people shot by spouses and co-workers.
Glad I never had kids

[Andy105]

I suppose if you are used to guns being around in your culture then that may seem logical..... but surely if there were no guns in the first place
no one would need to shoot anyone else? either to protect themselves or otherwise. Just my 2 cents as well ( or pence) and it probably doesn't concern me all the way over here

That would be great. Unfortunately, we have so many people with mental health issues that aren't addressed, that one still needs a form of personal defense. It's a Catch-22.

[squeezyjohn]

That was an ironic "self-defence" in the bit you quoted Joe by the way. It's the phrase that comes up time and time again along with "protecting the innocent" ...

I'm glad I had kids ... and very glad that it was here!

[Andy105]

When is the last time I heard of a gun used in self defense. Can't recall. Must not be many vs all the nuts and people shot by spouses and co-workers.
Glad I never had kids

Happens every day, just not in the news.

[squeezyjohn]

I'm leaving before I get the urge to talk sense to everyone again ...

[Crow]

I've been down that route on this forum alopezg1 ... and believe me it's not worth the hassle.

I prefer to just know that I'm right and if it carries on the way it's going soon everyone in the US will have shot each other to death in self-defence - once that's happened, we Europeans can start again with a blank canvas and learn from the mistakes of the first experiment

I'm going to let that one slide..

[Crow]

When is the last time I heard of a gun used in self defense. Can't recall. Must not be many vs all the nuts and people shot by spouses and co-workers.

Happens every day, just not in the news.

Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence, although the exact number remains disputed (Cook and Ludwig, 1996; Kleck, 2001a). Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a), in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008 (BJS, 2010). On the other hand, some scholars point to a radically lower estimate of only 108,000 annual defensive uses based on the National Crime Victimization Survey (Cook et al., 1997). The variation in these numbers remains a controversy in the field. The estimate of 3 million defensive uses per year is based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. The former estimate of 108,000 is difficult to interpret because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use.

A different issue is whether defensive uses of guns, however numerous or rare they may be, are effective in preventing injury to the gun-wielding crime victim. Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was “used” by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies (Kleck, 1988; Kleck and DeLone, 1993; Southwick, 2000; Tark and Kleck, 2004)

Source: CDC (Centers for Disease Control), 2013

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1