Windows 10 Disaster

[Norwester]

Simply put....it is tantamount to Microsoft hacking my computer agaist my will and should be considered a federal crime

I'd consider it along the lines of domestic terrorism. Only half joking...

Last week considering that I'd be able to revert to 8.1 at anytime within a month and I have everything backed up, I DLed and installed their latest IED of an OS. The next day I see that my AV program didn't carry over and Windows Defender was enabled. OK I'll just DL Bitlocker and re-install. To install I have to dis-able Defender. No problem. Except that as soon as I start installing Bitlocker, Defender re-enables itself aborting the installation. WTF? After numerous attempts screw it,I'm reverting. Go thru all the steps and..."Windows is unable to start". Its telling me that the OS I've been running for 6 months and have the disk for is not a valid MS product. I guess MS shouldn't have sold it to me then? System restore points are corrupted and my system backups on my backup disk are too. Funny I used both just a few weeks ago just to verify that they're working. Ended up doing a clean install with my "invalid" 8.1 OS disk and everything is back to normal. Even if they do ever get 10 straightened out I think I'll hate it anyway just because.

[Snusdog]

Brother.....I feel your pain

I got the same message about not being able to revert back.........however, when I entered through safe mode I was able to revert back no problem.

Thus, for any others, it may be worth trying it in safe mode before doing a invasive re-install

[kerlin219]

Guys you having real bad luck , ive now upgraded 2 pc s I built ,2 laptops and a notebook to windows 10 without any issue , all programs I tested so far have worked and all pc s are running smoothly.

[Snusdog]

Guys you having real bad luck , ive now upgraded 2 pc s I built ,2 laptops and a notebook to windows 10 without any issue , all programs I tested so far have worked and all pc s are running smoothly.

You used to get beat up a lot didn't you

[Andy105]

You used to get beat up a lot didn't you

and, they took his lunch money, too.

[texasmade]

Windows 10 huh..well there's your problem!!

[Norwester]

Yeah, 9's the only way to go!

[nicotine]

I empathize with those of you who had issues. I had a bit of an issue upgrading, but got things worked out in the end. Kept getting the famous "something happened" error that provided no clues as to what was wrong. I tried everything I could think of, eventually just resorting to doing a clean install of 8.1 and then upgrading to 10 without installing any updates/software. Most distributions of Linux are a lot easier to install and upgrade, honestly, and they actually provide useful error messages. I really wanted to do a clean install from the get-go, but Microsoft is requiring you upgrade to switch the license key to Win10. Pointless and causes issues if you're going to do a clean install anyway, but I understand.

Besides the installation issues and minor bugs that will get worked out with time, 10 is incredible. I have a laptop that converts into a tablet, so the hybrid desktop/tablet OS makes sense to me. I've used Linux on the desktop exclusively for 15 years, using at one point or another Gnome, KDE, Blackbox, Xfce, and many basic window managers, way back. The current generation of Linux DEs is disappointing, to say the least. Xfce was my favorite desktop for a while after Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2, but it feels ancient nowadays. Lots of things are missing that I've come to expect from a modern DE. I've found KDE 4 to be buggy and slow. I can't help but feel that KDE 4 is still in alpha/beta stage, despite having already replaced the stable KDE 3. Gnome 3 works and looks nice, but despite using it for over a year, I don't find the UI to make a lot of sense and I just don't really like the workflow it allows. Not to mention, it's kind of meant to be used with touchscreens, but none of the touch gestures are intuitive (I had to literally look up online if Gnome had any before finding out pinching with 3 fingers on the screen brings up the activities menu, and 4 finger swipe changes virtual desktops--I wouldn't have found these on my own). Using Windows 8.1 on a tablet/touchscreen made a lot of sense, but since most people don't use Windows on touchscreens yet, everyone just thought the OS sucked. Windows 10 has actually reverted some things that were useful and made sense in Windows 8.1 on a tablet (charms bar, for instance, which would open with a swipe on the right side of the screen) to please the people who use the OS primarily with a mouse and keyboard. I liked Windows 8.1 a lot because I had hardware that was truly meant for it, but it had some rough edges still that ultimately kept me using Linux as my primary OS.

That changed with 10, though. I've made the switch full-time from using Linux on my desktop & laptop machines to now using Windows 10 and it's great. I installed openSUSE in virtualbox just in case I needed/wanted to use it for whatever reason, but so far I haven't booted it up but once, and that was to get some backup files off a external drive that was formatted with the ext4 filesystem (a Linux-only filesystem). The UI of Windows 10 is traditional but modern at the same time. It now offers virtual desktops right out of the box, like every Linux DE/WM has had for decades. I can actually use my laptop as a tablet when I want to, as opposed to being locked into using it as a laptop with Linux. I didn't care too much about being limited to which applications I could use on Linux when I used it, but it's definitely nice knowing I can run virtually anything now.

Linux is great, but I don't prefer to use it on the desktop anymore. Oh, and I certainly won't miss the fragmentation and pointless bickering of the Linux user/developer community (If you want to see how bad it is, just look up 'systemd'. Many users, whether they understand it or not, are unbelievably opposed to it and some have even made death threats to its creator, who has since described the open source community as "quite a sick place to be in," and it's my experience, he's right.

Anyway, sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent. For those who haven't taken the plunge yet, you might want to consider waiting a little bit until most of the issues are taken care of, and drivers are updated, etc. I think it's definitely worth it over 8/8.1 in the end.

[Snusdog]

I empathize with those of you who had issues. I had a bit of an issue upgrading, but got things worked out in the end. Kept getting the famous "something happened" error that provided no clues as to what was wrong. I tried everything I could think of, eventually just resorting to doing a clean install of 8.1 and then upgrading to 10 without installing any updates/software. Most distributions of Linux are a lot easier to install and upgrade, honestly, and they actually provide useful error messages. I really wanted to do a clean install from the get-go, but Microsoft is requiring you upgrade to switch the license key to Win10. Pointless and causes issues if you're going to do a clean install anyway, but I understand.

Besides the installation issues and minor bugs that will get worked out with time, 10 is incredible. I have a laptop that converts into a tablet, so the hybrid desktop/tablet OS makes sense to me. I've used Linux on the desktop exclusively for 15 years, using at one point or another Gnome, KDE, Blackbox, Xfce, and many basic window managers, way back. The current generation of Linux DEs is disappointing, to say the least. Xfce was my favorite desktop for a while after Gnome 3 replaced Gnome 2, but it feels ancient nowadays. Lots of things are missing that I've come to expect from a modern DE. I've found KDE 4 to be buggy and slow. I can't help but feel that KDE 4 is still in alpha/beta stage, despite having already replaced the stable KDE 3. Gnome 3 works and looks nice, but despite using it for over a year, I don't find the UI to make a lot of sense and I just don't really like the workflow it allows. Not to mention, it's kind of meant to be used with touchscreens, but none of the touch gestures are intuitive (I had to literally look up online if Gnome had any before finding out pinching with 3 fingers on the screen brings up the activities menu, and 4 finger swipe changes virtual desktops--I wouldn't have found these on my own). Using Windows 8.1 on a tablet/touchscreen made a lot of sense, but since most people don't use Windows on touchscreens yet, everyone just thought the OS sucked. Windows 10 has actually reverted some things that were useful and made sense in Windows 8.1 on a tablet (charms bar, for instance, which would open with a swipe on the right side of the screen) to please the people who use the OS primarily with a mouse and keyboard. I liked Windows 8.1 a lot because I had hardware that was truly meant for it, but it had some rough edges still that ultimately kept me using Linux as my primary OS.

That changed with 10, though. I've made the switch full-time from using Linux on my desktop & laptop machines to now using Windows 10 and it's great. I installed openSUSE in virtualbox just in case I needed/wanted to use it for whatever reason, but so far I haven't booted it up but once, and that was to get some backup files off a external drive that was formatted with the ext4 filesystem (a Linux-only filesystem). The UI of Windows 10 is traditional but modern at the same time. It now offers virtual desktops right out of the box, like every Linux DE/WM has had for decades. I can actually use my laptop as a tablet when I want to, as opposed to being locked into using it as a laptop with Linux. I didn't care too much about being limited to which applications I could use on Linux when I used it, but it's definitely nice knowing I can run virtually anything now.

Linux is great, but I don't prefer to use it on the desktop anymore. Oh, and I certainly won't miss the fragmentation and pointless bickering of the Linux user/developer community (If you want to see how bad it is, just look up 'systemd'. Many users, whether they understand it or not, are unbelievably opposed to it and some have even made death threats to its creator, who has since described the open source community as "quite a sick place to be in," and it's my experience, he's right.

Anyway, sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent. For those who haven't taken the plunge yet, you might want to consider waiting a little bit until most of the issues are taken care of, and drivers are updated, etc. I think it's definitely worth it over 8/8.1 in the end.

Well put brother. Most folks I have talked to have had a good (though a little glitchy) experience with 10 very much like yours. That said there are enough cases like mine that make me think it best to wait about a month until patches, debugs, and glitches are worked out.

But truth be told, I am just fine with Windows 8.1 It does all I need it to do and runs all I need it to run.......so if I can't get 10 to work I won't lose a lot of sleep over it.