Did you remember to turn your clock forward?

[Premium Parrots]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about.......

So ya finally figured that out Zeno? Brilliant!!





I have to hand it to him tho...............he's consistant in that regard. :lol:

[Judge Faust]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were essentially an extension of government. Do you know about how they came into being? Where they got their economic power from? Could you explain it to me? I don't think you know.

I can recap the facts, if you wish. In chronological order:
1) Both were created by the Imperial government.
2) Both were privatized by said Imperial government on the utopian theory that private ownership always works better than government ownership.
3) Both were nationalized by said Imperial government once it realized that the aforementioned capitalistic dogma was both inefficient and idiotic.
4) Realizing that the Imperial people worship inefficiency and idiocy, said Imperial government denied nationalizing the two institutions. This denial did not change the fact that both have now been nationalized.

Well, then. I have answered your question; I now ask one in return. If capitalism is the epitome of human civilization, how is it that even the die-hard capitalistic Republicans came to believe that nationalization can ever be in the best interests of the nation's people?

A "balancing" of the "trade figures?" Really? How would, say, Madagascar "balance" its level of trade with China? By using protectionist measures, perhaps? Wouldn't that be explicitly anti-capitalist?

Do you know what "balance of trade" even means? You're not convincing me.

My silly friend, this is not school, and so you should view this as a debate rather than a pop quiz. If you want definitions of terms, I suggest Wikipedia. If you want debate on the the application of these terms, you're in the right place.

Now, then. Here is what you said:

"More goods and services flow into the country than flow out of it. This is not capitalism."

Since you have stated that an imbalance in the export/import equation is "not capitalism," you have just betrayed capitalism as the capitalists know it. Capitalists idolize competition, which, by necessity, leads to both "winners" and "losers." A capitalistic nation that imports more goods than it exports can be seen as a loser in the great game of capitalism. This loss does not, however, prevent it from being able to call itself a "capitalistic nation."

I look forward to your responses. If past behavior is any indication, however, you will simply ignore all of my points and simply ask me to define some more elementary terms. Heh.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

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My silly friend,...

Herein lies the prob IMO. Why do you have to be a dick?

[Judge Faust]

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My silly friend,...

Herein lies the prob IMO. Why do you have to be a dick?

I am not, to the best of my knowledge, purely a penis. It is, however, interesting, that you are willing to excerpt three words as an example of my alleged penis-likeness. Even as you ignore statements such as the following:

"You'll forgive me because, in total honesty, I am absolutely terrible at trying to figure out the difference between when people are being serious and when they're being deliberately silly for the sake of comedy. "

Or, for that matter, an individual pretending to be me.

You have some very interesting standards. Hypocrisy may be cute, but it is hardly productive.

PS: I am leaving for the mountains tomorrow. Yes, literally. If I fail to post during the coming 4 days, do not treat it as a forfeit. Treat it as a reprieve.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

It's not a joke. You are a dick. Not based on my three words, but your billion ****ing dumbass words. Have a great vacation Penis.

P.S. Quit making my hood look so ****ing dumb, asshole.

P.S.S I hope you fall off the tall one. (Still not joking)

[Zero]

Dude, you don't know what you're talking about. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were essentially an extension of government. Do you know about how they came into being? Where they got their economic power from? Could you explain it to me? I don't think you know.

I can recap the facts, if you wish. In chronological order:
1) Both were created by the Imperial government.
2) Both were privatized by said Imperial government on the utopian theory that private ownership always works better than government ownership.
3) Both were nationalized by said Imperial government once it realized that the aforementioned capitalistic dogma was both inefficient and idiotic.
4) Realizing that the Imperial people worship inefficiency and idiocy, said Imperial government denied nationalizing the two institutions. This denial did not change the fact that both have now been nationalized.

Well, then. I have answered your question; I now ask one in return. If capitalism is the epitome of human civilization, how is it that even the die-hard capitalistic Republicans came to believe that nationalization can ever be in the best interests of the nation's people?

A "balancing" of the "trade figures?" Really? How would, say, Madagascar "balance" its level of trade with China? By using protectionist measures, perhaps? Wouldn't that be explicitly anti-capitalist?

Do you know what "balance of trade" even means? You're not convincing me.

My silly friend, this is not school, and so you should view this as a debate rather than a pop quiz. If you want definitions of terms, I suggest Wikipedia. If you want debate on the the application of these terms, you're in the right place.

Now, then. Here is what you said:

"More goods and services flow into the country than flow out of it. This is not capitalism."

Since you have stated that an imbalance in the export/import equation is "not capitalism," you have just betrayed capitalism as the capitalists know it. Capitalists idolize competition, which, by necessity, leads to both "winners" and "losers." A capitalistic nation that imports more goods than it exports can be seen as a loser in the great game of capitalism. This loss does not, however, prevent it from being able to call itself a "capitalistic nation."

I look forward to your responses. If past behavior is any indication, however, you will simply ignore all of my points and simply ask me to define some more elementary terms. Heh.

I think you need to review your facts. This isn't school, you're right, but until you can show me that you understand the words you are using, I'm not going to take you seriously.

If you could elucidate upon the relationship between Fannie & Freddie and the US government after the privatisation, perhaps you would find some answers yourself.

And who said the Republicans were capitalists? Certainly they used to say that - some even still do. Greenspan called himself a capitalist too. You have to learn to draw distinctions between what people say and what people do, however. For example, if I called myself an atheist but you saw me at Sunday prayer every week, would you consider me to be an atheist? When have the Republicans ever acted like capitalists? It's been a hell of a long time by my count.

History is best remembered by what happened - in the facts surrounding what people did rather than what they said. To think otherwise is to think that politicians aren't compulsive liars - something I'm sure you'll agree they are.

[texasmade]

so....who likes to get their dick wet??

[ShaulWolf]

Tex, seriously, do you really need to ask that? I mean seriously? Especially given some of the previous posts in the thread between you and JBean and a couple other random ones? XP

[Xobeloot]

If it's gonna be this kinda party... I'm gonna stick my dick in the mashed taters!

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[ShaulWolf]

And this was recorded where and when? 0.o

[lxskllr]

That's some funny stuff Xob. I never heard of him before :^D

[Judge Faust]

This isn't school, you're right, but until you can show me that you understand the words you are using, I'm not going to take you seriously.

That's just the thing, my friend. In a debate, you are not required to "take [your opponent] seriously." You are simply expected to respond to the proffered arguments. By constantly asking for basic definitions. you only make yourself seem ignorant.

And who said the Republicans were capitalists?

Er... the Republicans? Does the term "free market" ring a bell? I appreciate your attempt to grasp politics, but you really need to parse through the euphemisms in order to reach the truth. Assuming that the truth interests you, that is...

Greenspan called himself a capitalist too. You have to learn to draw distinctions between what people say and what people do, however. For example, if I called myself an atheist but you saw me at Sunday prayer every week, would you consider me to be an atheist? When have the Republicans ever acted like capitalists? It's been a hell of a long time by my count.

Different analogy: what if you claimed to be an atheist, never showed up in a religious establishment, and mocked invisible cloud people with a vengeance?

A more relevant analogy: What if, like Hitler, you claimed that Jews were the scourge of mankind and devised a plan to exterminate them for good?

The point: Hypocrisy exists. Not all statements are hypocritical. The Republicans are true capitalists in that they are willing to condemn all of mankind for a utopian dream. They truly believe that the market will magically cure all that ails us (as you seem to do). To wit:
1) Bizarre tax cuts for the rich.
2) Outrageous wars for oil.
3) Irrational fear of all Communist nations.

[sagedil]

Yeah, I remembered to set my clocks forward

That IS what this thread is about, correct?? As little of a life as I have, there is NO way I am reading this whole thread. I was just dumbfounded trying to understand how there were over 400 replys to this question so I figure setting your clock forward must be really important!!!

Didn't want to feel left out so count me in with those that remembered. :wink:

[bearcat87]

Yeah, I remembered to set my clocks forward

That IS what this thread is about, correct?? As little of a life as I have, there is NO way I am reading this whole thread. I was just dumbfounded trying to understand how there were over 400 replys to this question so I figure setting your clock forward must be really important!!!

Didn't want to feel left out so count me in with those that remembered. :wink:

If you had read this thread then you would be profoundly dumber and wasted a few hours of your life. I can speak from experience.

[Condor]

I gave up a long time ago on this thread, but I see you guys are still going strong. Im embarrassed for having responded as many times as I did...