How do you describe yourself, politically?

[snusjus]

I voted Other, because I'm an Anarcho-Socialist. However, there are several other branches of Anarchism that I agree and disagree with.

[Condor]

I'm an Anarcho-Socialist.

Serious question:

how does that work??

...seems. on it's face, like a serious conflict of ideologies. Help me to understand snusjus, you're my only hope. You can do it via PM if you want, don't want a can of worms all over the place. Im just curious.

[snusjus]

I'm an Anarcho-Socialist.

Serious question:

how does that work??

...seems. on it's face, like a serious conflict of ideologies. Help me to understand snusjus, you're my only hope. You can do it via PM if you want, don't want a can of worms all over the place. Im just curious.

I probably should have said Anarcho-Syndicalist. Its a branch of Anarchism which focuses on the labor movement and the abolition of Capitalism. Unlike Soviet Union quasi-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism is absent of a centralized government. In Anarcho-Syndicalist societies, labor organizations control the means of production. Power is distributed to everyone equally, not just the elite class at the top.

[Condor]

I'm an Anarcho-Socialist.

Serious question:

how does that work??

...seems. on it's face, like a serious conflict of ideologies. Help me to understand snusjus, you're my only hope. You can do it via PM if you want, don't want a can of worms all over the place. Im just curious.

I probably should have said Anarcho-Syndicalist. Its a branch of Anarchism which focuses on the labor movement and the abolition of Capitalism. Unlike Soviet Union quasi-Communism, Anarcho-Syndicalism is absent of a centralized government. In Anarcho-Syndicalist societies, labor organizations control the means of production. Power is distributed to everyone equally, not just the elite class at the top.

Anarchism is organized into branches? :wink:

[Eidekker]

My favorite is Peter Topfers national-anarchism, although I don't support it, as I don't see how anarchism would lead to nowhere than feodal society at best. Just look at Somalia or similar places.



When the violence machinery of a society collapses, ie military and law enforcement forces something else must take it's place, and those pathetic "anarchists" who now riot and demonstrate against "rightist and violent" police etc. surely cry out for their help when shit hits the fan in a society of real anarchy.

[fugitiveinkblot]

AGAINST THE NWO AND EROSION OF THE CONSTITUTION / PERSONAL LIBERTIES. The left/right paradigm is a lie.

can i get an AMEN my brothas...

Im really surprised when I saw the results were most libertarians like me, its kind of unusual.... Something in the snus?

Snus is so nice and relaxing...it's use makes you just wanna be free and happy!

Relaxing is what got us into this. Relaxation time is over. Its time to resist.

So the revolution will NOT be televised, AND there will be no SNUS served?

count me out :wink:

The descriptions of the different political directions aren't correct IMHO. They sound like an elementary-school-approach to define them. I won't participate on the poll.

Cheers!

Could you elaborate on what's inaccurate about them please? Your very definitions of the terms may say quite a bit about your politics, which is what this thread/poll is about.

No I gotta agree, the definitions dont go into how leftism is about redistribution of wealth, high taxes in return for social program handouts, and large gov. Also doesnt mention in Rightist definition that they believe in low taxes and small government, and traditional value such as no abortion etc.

libertarian is a wierd term to define because many different parties acll themselves libertarians but it generally refers to small government, strong observance of the constitution and very low taxes. Most emphasis being on a smaller government, since the constitution only allows the fed gov to handle about 20 things, and controlling banks and giving warranty's for cars is not one of them.

Well, I'd say this is a fairly accurate portrayal of the parties as the exist in the US. It should be remembered that a fair number of people on this board don't live in the US, thus, may have political opinions that do not fall into the left/right paradigm as they exist in the US. However, while it may be accurate to say the Right advocates lower taxes, overall, they don't necessarily stand for less spending. Libertarians would argue that government spending should only occur if it is only necessary. It breaks out of the Right/Left mold in a number of ways. Libertarianism does not support a large MIC, or legislating morality, such as abortion. However, they do not propose any social spending whatsoever, and are probably even less egalitarian than many conservatives.

It should be noted that the Left/Right divide is kind of in a state of flux in the US, with Social Conservatives and Fiscal Conservatives in a semi state of war, as well as the Radical Left (socialists, progressives) that are getting further distanced by the pro-business Establishment Left that dictates party doctrine. Centrism, or third way, is currently more of a Left position than a right. Bill Clinton was very much a centrist in the way that he would endorse conservative issues such as welfare reform, while giving token obligations to the left, such as his policy on gays in the military.

I would venture to say I am moderately on the left, while a little irked by the out of control spending both under Bush and Obama. I see a climate in which the establishment, both on the left and right, is further out of touch with a majority of people. Workers should be compensated for producing wealth for the corporate interests which they work for. If the businesses don't do it, then there is really very little alternative than for the government to step in. I'd say that social spending is really a result of fatcats neglecting their obligation to those who depend on them for a living. That and no one wants to see people starving to death in the street, no matter how much it is their own fault. I'd say that libertarianism is much like communism in which it is an unattainable utopian ideal, if everything worked exactly like it should, then both would provide plenty for all. However, libertarianism is thwarted by out of control greed and socialism/communism is a failure due to laziness. Unfortunately, both traits, greed and laziness, seem to be first nature to humans.

[Messiah]

Can I vote for anti political? Too many people feel too strongly about things based on political alignment without reasoning.

I also have a strong disliking of people who are so sure that they know the "truth" about what the government is up to and conspiracy theorists. I find much of the information from conspiracy theorists to be lies through omission of details. These people are also gaining more clout because of financial unrest right now.

How about a rationalist. I guess thats what I am, if politics can ever make room for reasoning.

[truthwolf1]

Dislike Conspiracy Theorists? grrrr!

I find much of the information from mainstream media to be lies through ommission of details.

In the last election I was a Ron Paul supporter more for his Constitutional stance over anything else.

[Messiah]

Yeah, but people like alex jones are purposefully full of shit. Or maybe just crazy.

[truthwolf1]

For anybody that does not know Mr. Alex Jones, he is one of largest figures in the conspiracy movement.

His website is http://www.infowars.com/

I do like his research but I never just agree to one side of the story/theory.
My stance is to get as much information as you can from the far left, far right and even the "kooks"!

Somewhere in middle you will find the truth.

[Judge Faust]

I would describe myself as a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. So yes, "leftist" if you will.

[lxskllr]

I would describe myself as a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist. So yes, "leftist" if you will.

There he is!!

How've you been Judge? I was surprised to not see you in the latest group of topics :^D

[Judge Faust]

if you're 20 and not yet a liberal,you have no heart.

If you're 40 and not yet a conservative,you have no brain.

If you're 50 and have not yet realized that they're all lying self serving thieves in 3 pc suits who only ask if that is all you can do for them and their myriad agendas to further despoil your country,constitution,and ideals....You haven't been paying attention!

The first two parts of this diatribe are self-serving Conservative propaganda. Think about it: why would old age make one a Republican? Is a person automatically "brain[less]" because he:
1) Does not believe in fascist imperialism.
2) Does not believe in invisible cloud dwellers.
3) Does not believe that abortion is a big deal.

??? I think not.

Your final point is blatantly ignorant. Cynical pessimism may be cute and trendy, but it has its limits. Would you honestly prefer anarchy?

PS: I am sickened and disgusted by the sheer number of people identifying themselves as "Libertarians." Once again, it is a very cute philosophy. Unfortunately, it is also moronic. Question: where do you think you idiots would be without government-inspected food, water, and medication? Answer: probably rotting in the ground. You people do not think well.

[Sal1000us]

Faust, you are back with a vengeance man. I thought you’d be a bit mellower, softer and gentler after your vacation in the mountains. Maybe you need another vacation.

[existone]

Faust, your "educated" comments on where we would be without government intervention have led me to believe you do not TRULY think out what you are saying before you spout it out. To say we would be nowhere without government intervention is officially the equivalent of saying "society should have never occurred". How in the sam hell do you believe that we are where we are today? Do you believe its because someone decided "the masses are idiots and cannot provide/think/clean/observe/decide for themselves"? Where exactly do you think societies roots are? Were we hatched out of an egg as a civilization of sprawling metropolises? If people couldn't take care of themselves without government intervention, society as we know it would not exist...