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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    Poll: What can fix America's current problems

    Noticed the poll about what political party you affiliate yourself with, and that most people here are libertarians like myself.
    So now I want to know what you libertarians think would solve the problem.
  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #2
    Note that there are other methods some people believe would work and this post is open to discussion on those methods as well.

    Sorry for the spelling errors im sure I had, it's not my strongest skill.

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    • superdevil
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 158

      #3
      I'm all for the flat tax. Unfortunately it's too revolutionary to ever see the light of day in this country.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Originally posted by superdevil
        I'm all for the flat tax. Unfortunately it's too revolutionary to ever see the light of day in this country.

        I know, it's unfortunate, but it would stop people from cheating on income tax (like illegals) and it would be more efficient all around.

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        • Selenolycus
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 43

          #5
          t

          I'm a vehement opponent of social welfare, but I'm also an ardent supporter of open borders and free trade, so none of the options listed on the poll apply to me. Where's your "other" option? :wink:

          The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.

          Alas, I digress. We spend a lot of money on maintaining prisons that are heavily populated by non-violent offenders. We spend a lot of money on the 'war' on drugs. We spend a lot of money on a very costly foreign policy.

          We should regress to a government about the size of the one upon our founding, but with equal rights or all citizens, not just the white men.

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          • Shownarou
            Member
            • Jan 2009
            • 124

            #6
            Re: t

            Originally posted by Selenolycus
            I'm a vehement opponent of social welfare, but I'm also an ardent supporter of open borders and free trade, so none of the options listed on the poll apply to me. Where's your "other" option? :wink:

            The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.

            Alas, I digress. We spend a lot of money on maintaining prisons that are heavily populated by non-violent offenders. We spend a lot of money on the 'war' on drugs. We spend a lot of money on a very costly foreign policy.

            We should regress to a government about the size of the one upon our founding, but with equal rights or all citizens, not just the white men.
            The true purpose of the government is to protect our rights. That's it. Look what's happened in the last 200 years.

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            • superdevil
              Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 158

              #7
              Re: t

              Originally posted by Shownarou

              The true purpose of the government is to protect our rights. That's it. Look what's happened in the last 200 years.
              The shift occurred when Lincoln the Tyrant appointed himself supreme dictator of this country. We've never quite recovered from that.

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              • sgreger1
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 9451

                #8
                Re: t

                Originally posted by Selenolycus
                I'm a vehement opponent of social welfare, but I'm also an ardent supporter of open borders and free trade, so none of the options listed on the poll apply to me. Where's your "other" option? :wink:

                The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.

                Alas, I digress. We spend a lot of money on maintaining prisons that are heavily populated by non-violent offenders. We spend a lot of money on the 'war' on drugs. We spend a lot of money on a very costly foreign policy.

                We should regress to a government about the size of the one upon our founding, but with equal rights or all citizens, not just the white men.

                The "other" option had to be removed as we usually send people who check that box to Guantanamo Bay but they are still in the process of moving the facility.

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                • TexDis
                  Member
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 63

                  #9
                  Re: t

                  Originally posted by Selenolycus
                  We should regress to a government about the size of the one upon our founding, but with equal rights or all citizens, not just the white men.
                  Ha. You can't have one without the other. Our Founders knew this because they knew their history and the human condition.

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                  • Quemador
                    Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 83

                    #10
                    Re: t

                    Originally posted by Selenolycus

                    The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.
                    What about an illegal immigrant who came here to setup a jihadist terrorist cell and didn't give a rats ace about welfare?

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                    • Selenolycus
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 43

                      #11
                      Re: t

                      Originally posted by Quemador
                      Originally posted by Selenolycus

                      The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.
                      What about an illegal immigrant who came here to setup a jihadist terrorist cell and didn't give a rats ace about welfare?
                      How many of those have there been? From what I know, the perpetrators on 9/11 were here, at least initially, on visa. Abdel-Rahman (1993 WTC attack) had a tourist visa. The government dropped the ball in '90, this guy was on a terrorist watch list.

                      I'll take freedom in place of safety myself, thank you.

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                      • Condor
                        Member
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 752

                        #12
                        My solution is to get rid of the Fed, put them all in jail, and let Ross Perot handle the money...

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                        • Quemador
                          Member
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 83

                          #13
                          Re: t

                          Originally posted by Selenolycus
                          Originally posted by Quemador
                          Originally posted by Selenolycus

                          The only problem with illegal immigration as I see it is the chance for persons who illegally immigrate to leach-off the welfare system. The ability for one to choose where they live is a very important part of one's liberty, in my opinion, and without it they're as about as free as a bird in a cage.
                          What about an illegal immigrant who came here to setup a jihadist terrorist cell and didn't give a rats ace about welfare?
                          How many of those have there been? From what I know, the perpetrators on 9/11 were here, at least initially, on visa. Abdel-Rahman (1993 WTC attack) had a tourist visa. The government dropped the ball in '90, this guy was on a terrorist watch list.

                          I'll take freedom in place of safety myself, thank you.
                          My point is that the necessity for secure boarders is spawned from reasons other than illegal immigrants who come here to exploit welfare. And are you saying secure boarders (even the enforcement of existing law) encroaches on your freedom? How so? Are you an illegal immigrant?

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                          • Skimo
                            Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 204

                            #14
                            What we are now is an "Empire" of sorts.

                            that statement about rights for everyone not just white men... what the heck have you been smoking... the only way to ensure equal rights is for people to stop saying they are victims.

                            There's actually a case going to the supreme court where a firefighter wasn't promoted to captain because he was white... the system needs to be broken down, performance needs to be the only qualifying factor, not race.

                            uneducated people stay poor because they don't know better, or are busy working to keep food on the table.

                            educated people stay poor because they won't try working in a different area where jobs are available, even jobs that are "beneath them"

                            what this comes down to is there will allways be poor people, there will allways be a working class, there will be an upper class, the rights of all are the same, no one has a right to be promoted, you work for it. no one has a right to be rich, you work for it. no one has the right to be free you FIGHT for the right to freedom.

                            I don't discriminate, I think there are a lot of uneducated whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, americans, africans, british, french, canadian, portugese, etc. etc. etc.... there's something in common here... they're ALL people.

                            I don't like lazy uneducated people whining about how it's impossible for them to get a library card and start getting motivated and educated. I'm tired of lazy educated people complaining about actually having to work.

                            There are plenty of hard working men and women in this country, they work morning to night, and some work odd shifts. some are educated, some are uneducated, but they are all not lazy, they all take what they can get, and they work towards their goals.

                            Socialism is a way for lazy people to prosper, communism doesn't work because the puritan work ethic is near extinction.

                            bailouts are completely unreasonable, if banks, corperations, and "special" business' can't keep themselves in business some other bank, corperation or "special" business will pop up, thus promoting the motivated new companies... it's the natural order.

                            Our borders arn't the problem, borders go two ways ya know. You don't like living here, leave, feel free to come back.

                            I think setting out to other countries is a great idea, you'll see what you miss, and what you won't miss. In our world of instant knowledge, learn a new language.
                            You know American English is the hardest language to learn aside from a language that is comprised soley of clicks and gutteral sounds?

                            sorry, went off topic a bit.

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                            • Premium Parrots
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Skimo
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                              You know American English is the hardest language to learn aside from a language that is comprised soley of clicks and gutteral sounds?.........

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