Law Enforcement and Military: CALLING ALL PATRIOTS

[Eidekker]

Awesome response, thanks.

While strict, the laws at least make it possible to own a firearm. I don't agree with the regulations though, and that's just the American in me that makes it hard to accept that gun ownership is a "privilege" instead of a "right".

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I read somewhere that in USA the gun crime rate is much higher in those states which have very strict laws, and pretty much rare in those where you can carry it openly.



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[Eidekker]

"Gun crime is rare. Most of it is done by ilegal ones."

Funny how this is always the case....

Banning guns from decent and good citizens leaves a country in a state where only government and criminals have guns. That is why I oppose any bans.

The fact that most gun violence is done by illegal guns, tells me that (legal) gun owners are usually upright and good citizens, responsible and so on.

Besides the local NRA here, yes we do have finnish NRA too, suggested years ago few adjustments in practices of getting the license, which needed no adjustments to existing laws or new gun laws, but politicians were deaf.

Then few kids had a killing spree in schools here, and now they started crying after tighter laws and so on. Polticians are hypocrites..

I read through the NRA suggestions and they were good and sane. New laws just make it harder for anyone getting a gun, and does nothing to avert school killings.

C'mon, they can cook up bombs with household chemicals just by googleing little info, or take knife into school and make it look like a slaughterhouse. Schoolkillings need other solutions than harassing those who like to shoot for hobby, livelihood or profession.

The craziest suggestion by some politician was to lock up the guns in the shooting clubs or ranges, and ban having guns in homes but anyone who knows the geography of Finland can tell it's a joke which just sends a signal to the bad guys to go and get a good arsenal of guns from one spot. Most of our shooting ranges are in the middel of no where on countryside fields, forests etc. local police 100 miles away or so.

[superdevil]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I read somewhere that in USA the gun crime rate is much lower in those states which have very strict laws, and pretty much rare in those where you can carry it openly.

That's correct. Also, the state of Vermont has the most lenient gun laws in the country, and also the lowest gun violence of all states. Vermont is the only state in the Union that I'm aware of that does not require a permit to carry concealed.

Open carry laws, however, vary so drastically from region to region. I know that where I live, open carry is legal, provided that no one complains about you. Basically all it takes is to walk into a public place and someone calls the police and complains that you're brandishing a firearm. The police detain you and politely ask you to disarm yourself because you're "terrorizing the public", which can result in permanent confiscation of your weapon. That's why I don't openly carry where I live, simply because one persons opinion can disarm me, which is not contrary to state laws either.

I also don't believe in needing a permit to carry concealed, either. I believe that if you are legally allowed a permit to buy, transport and carry a weapon, you should be able to do so under your shirt without having to get fingerprinted and cataloged, therefore I choose to ignore this law. I suppose that makes me a gun toting criminal.

:P

[RobsanX]

"That being said and tomorrow being tax day, make sure to let them know how you feel at a local tea party!

http://www.taxdayteaparty.com

After all, it's the money spent that funds all the things the gov wants to do.

On the flip side I have an RV, several well kept fire arms, 80 acres in the country and 500 stag horn tobacco seeds. :twisted:

By doing and saying all of that, your government might consider you to be a terrorist. Read the new DOHS documents...

Missouri went so far as to say that if you have a third party candidate sticker, you are part of a militant movement... :roll:

In response to the recent MIAC report, Missouri 5th District State Representative Jim Guest authored the following editorial entitled, "Are you a Militant?":

"An unclassified/ Law Enforcement sensitive report was released from the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) describing anyone who questions the authority of the Federal Government as being a part of a modern militia movement. They also identify individuals as "Persons of Interest" to be tracked or watched and on this list is anyone who believes in sovereignty as a citizen or as a state, those who are militant anti-abortionist, those of us who believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. MIAC also includes those who are against the chipping of Americans with Radio Frequencies Identification Devices or (RFID), those who believe our federal government is out of control and not listening to our citizens, are listed as part of this movement.

[Eidekker]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I read somewhere that in USA the gun crime rate is much lower in those states which have very strict laws, and pretty much rare in those where you can carry it openly.

That's correct. Also, the state of Vermont has the most lenient gun laws in the country, and also the lowest gun violence of all states. Vermont is the only state in the Union that I'm aware of that does not require a permit to carry concealed.

I meant to say: " ..in USA gun crime rate is much HIGHER in those states which have very strict laws..." ops:

[hoss]

"That being said and tomorrow being tax day, make sure to let them know how you feel at a local tea party!

http://www.taxdayteaparty.com

After all, it's the money spent that funds all the things the gov wants to do.

On the flip side I have an RV, several well kept fire arms, 80 acres in the country and 500 stag horn tobacco seeds. :twisted:

By doing and saying all of that, your government might consider you to be a terrorist. Read the new DOHS documents...

Its sad times when that's the truth of the matter. But here we are.
I can remember a time when an RV, a few rifles, some acres and a weekend were just good times.

[hoss]

I agree with you wholeheartedly. I read somewhere that in USA the gun crime rate is much lower in those states which have very strict laws, and pretty much rare in those where you can carry it openly.

That's correct. Also, the state of Vermont has the most lenient gun laws in the country, and also the lowest gun violence of all states. Vermont is the only state in the Union that I'm aware of that does not require a permit to carry concealed.

I meant to say: " ..in USA gun crime rate is much HIGHER in those states which have very strict laws..." ops:

Texas is a good case in point of this. You can get a concealed carry license to carry on your person but there are no requirements to conceal in your vehicle due to some recet gun changes.

Pretty cool btw that the NRA is international

[Eidekker]

Pretty cool btw that the NRA is international

Yes it is, although Finnish NRA is slightly different than US one, but goals are pretty much the same, adjusted to our situation and needs..

NRA is a civil rights organization that promotes lawful gun ownership, legal rights of gun owners, educating gun owners about safe gun keeping and securing the future of shootings sports, hunting, gun collecting and voluntary national defense.

Sandra S. Fromans greetings

"On behalf of the National Rifle Association of America (NRA), I send greetings to the Kansallinen Kivääriyhdistys, the National Rifle Association of Finland. We share with you a long and honorable heritage of firearm ownership for defense of ourselves and our country, as well as for hunting and sport.

We both pride ourselves in our legendary marksmanship. In the American Revolution of 1775-1783, our citizen soldiers defeated the world’s greatest empire, just as in the Winter War of 1939-1940, your citizen soldiers protected your independence from the onslaught of Soviet Russia. Today, we work together to protect our rights from the international threat to ban lawful firearm ownership. Best of luck in protecting the right to keep and bear arms in Finland so that future generations will continue to know the meaning of freedom!”

Sandra S. Froman
President
National Rifle Association of America
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, Virginia 22030

http://www.nra.fi/enindex.html

I recommend THIS article for more info on our situation..