Religious affilition, what do you believe?

[crullers]

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[CzechCzar]

Fascinating - apparently there it is the saying in the Catholic Nicene Creed!

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_cs...hism/credo.htm

Many versions are shortened somewhat. I guess this is what must have happened!

[CzechCzar]

[Snusdog]

Just curious: in Episcopal Churches, we say:

"I believe in the Holy Ghost
The Lord and giver of life
Who proceedeth from the Father and the Son
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified
Who spake by the prophets.
And I believe in one holy Catholic..."

Do you know why you guys don't include the lines describing the Holy Ghost, or we do?

Frankie is quoting the Apostle's creed (check your morning and evening prayer services you will find it there) you are quotng the Nicene creed from the Eucharist service. The Nicene, Apostles, and Athanasian creeds are the three Universal Creeds accepted by both the eastern and western Churches and have historically served as the standard of orthodoxy


This may be more than anyone wants to know but……..the Basket ball games are over so….here goes

The Apostles Creed developed from the Baptism formula used in the early church. It reached its final (current) form around the 8^th century.

The Nicean Creed came out of the the Council of Nicea and was used to distinguish those who have departed from the faith from those who had not.

The Athenasion creed arose out of the Chalcedonian theology that further developed the Nicean articularion of faith. It is probably less know to most since it was never really meant for use in worship but was mainly required of those seeking ordination.

Regardless, Catholic, Episcopal, Greek Orthodox and Historic protistants hold to all of these

[squeezyjohn]

I don't believe in anything religious - because I can't ... every scrap of evidence I have ever seen points towards the non-existence of Gods, spirits and all that voodoo - I can't believe in something that has no evidence - that's just me.

But religion is so totally intertwined with everyone's history and philosophies that it is hard to escape even today. A lot of the good in our society has come from philosophies based around religious beliefs ... but there's a lot of bad too.

When it comes down to it - religion is just a massive great placebo for the weak of mind or those in dire circumstances. The placebo effect has proved to work scientifically on a medical level - and I have no reason to doubt that it works at a psychological level too. The placebo effect is also proved to work when the person taking it knows it's a placebo!

It's just that if I could choose the flavour of placebo (religion) to take (follow) - it would not be one of the major one-dimensional ones that is judgmental towards other people and is ultimately about mans weakness for power and corruption. I prefer the more romantic old religions that are based around real things like the seasons, being nice to each other and the wonder of nature.

Because sometimes science is just too big and complex to understand everything.

[Frankie Reloaded]

Do you know why you guys don't include the lines describing the Holy Ghost, or we do?

Actually, this is just the creed I say when praying. I found a translation of the first and probably the best concise answer to the question of what I believe and pasted it here. In Masses, though, the priests sometimes use another, longer one which includes exactly the lines you mentioned.

[Frankie Reloaded]

If I told you how much our pastors made, you'd shit yourself.

That depends. Average priest salary in Slovakia is between 400-450 € per month.

[truthwolf1]

USA, the bigger the congregation I believe the bigger the salary. TV Superstars

Not sure what our small church pays the minister but he does get a rent free house in a quiet suburb to live in.

I would say a large part of the people that go is for the social/family aspect like my Mother, who probably could not recite a single verse from the bible but who knows most of the songs and all the gossip.

The place honestly gives me the creeps and I wish I could escape it but there is no option for Funerals, Baptisms and Weddings. So I guess I am also like my mother but never happy about it.

Put me on a pontoon on a secluded lake at dusk and I will fulfill my need for spiritualism. A nice view of the stars far from the city lights is also pretty cool.

[Frankie Reloaded]

The atheists in my country (a small fraction of the population, some 3,5 - 4 %) mostly complain because the churches are financed by the state (from their money, as they say). But in a country like the USA I suppose the wealth of the clergy is only as big as the church members allow - the churches are only financed from the money paid by their respective members. Am I wrong?

[Faylool]

This is lovely

I don't believe in anything religious - because I can't ... every scrap of evidence I have ever seen points towards the non-existence of Gods, spirits and all that voodoo - I can't believe in something that has no evidence - that's just me.

But religion is so totally intertwined with everyone's history and philosophies that it is hard to escape even today. A lot of the good in our society has come from philosophies based around religious beliefs ... but there's a lot of bad too.

When it comes down to it - religion is just a massive great placebo for the weak of mind or those in dire circumstances. The placebo effect has proved to work scientifically on a medical level - and I have no reason to doubt that it works at a psychological level too. The placebo effect is also proved to work when the person taking it knows it's a placebo!

It's just that if I could choose the flavour of placebo (religion) to take (follow) - it would not be one of the major one-dimensional ones that is judgmental towards other people and is ultimately about mans weakness for power and corruption. I prefer the more romantic old religions that are based around real things like the seasons, being nice to each other and the wonder of nature.

Because sometimes science is just too big and complex to understand everything.

[Faylool]

The placebo effect arises from somewhere. Faith being a placebo effect in itself really

[Frosted]

In Methodist churches we say it just like the Catholic guy posted. That must be another creed that the Episcopals say?

As far as I know...and its not a lot, all those Churches are the Catholic......Roman Catholic is a completely different thing.

[Frankie Reloaded]

This might help: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_t...odist_churches

Seems Methodists are definitely NOT Catholic. Roman Catholic is slightly different from Greek Catholic, but what other Catholic churches you meant? I do now any other Catholic ones.

[Frosted]

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/...tlescreed.html

[Frosted]