Religious affilition, what do you believe?

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  • deebocools
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    • Nov 2008
    • 661

    #16
    strong atheist

    I don't believe it's as faith-based as religion. If someone told you there was flying pink elephants, you wouldn't say "maybe, maybe not, but I won't put my belief in it" you would say "no there isn't". God is not a special case for belief, so I say there is no god.

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    • jamesstew
      Member
      • May 2008
      • 1440

      #17
      Re: Religious affilition, what do you believe?

      Originally posted by tybalt
      Originally posted by jamesstew
      We seem to be a pretty diverse group on here, thought it may be interesting.
      I am an episcopalian. The episcopal (anglican) denomination is, I find, a nice middle way between the protestant and catholic traditions. I particularly appreciate the emphasis that the episcopal church places on reason as one of the three components of the faith (the other two being the gospel and tradition).

      What I believe can be found in the Nicene Creed.
      I used to be an episcopalian, actually was baptized Church of England but switched to the episcopalian church when I moved to the U.S. That was all before I discovered Zod. Even although I was never a believer and was skeptical even as a boy I do have some fond memories of the church.

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      • pangloss
        Member
        • May 2009
        • 183

        #18
        I'm Mexican Catholic meaning that I adhere to some of the beliefs of Roman Catholicism mixed with mexican tradition (i.e. lighting candles, doing blessings with eggs for evil eye, etc.)

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        • lxskllr
          Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 13435

          #19
          Originally posted by deebocools
          strong atheist

          I don't believe it's as faith-based as religion. If someone told you there was flying pink elephants, you wouldn't say "maybe, maybe not, but I won't put my belief in it" you would say "no there isn't". God is not a special case for belief, so I say there is no god.
          But what if the pink elephants were invisible? And what if their invisibility also made them invisible to radar? :^D

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          • Condor
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            • Sep 2008
            • 752

            #20
            Odinist.

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            • HK11
              Member
              • May 2009
              • 631

              #21
              I am spiritual in that I believe there is more to life than just humans and what is on this planet. I cannot put a finger on it exactly but I feel there is more going on than meets the eye. I think we were both created and evolved. Now what I do not know is if we were a genetic experiment as suggested by some of the ancient texts, if we are some sort of growth determined by our distance from the sun, if some guy said "lol, humans" and snapped his fingers, or any real idea.

              We all have beliefs about that but no proof, so all theories are good with me until I die and find out, or die and become dirt.

              I see organized religion as a tool for control and manipulation of it's followers. There are a lot of good people who follow the religions though and for the most part they direct people to live by a good set of rules. I don't feel like God really needs 10% of my earnings.

              I'm not sure where that puts me as far as any label goes.

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              • Fightin Phils
                Member
                • May 2009
                • 74

                #22
                Catholic

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                • Starcadia
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                  • May 2008
                  • 646

                  #23
                  Originally posted by deebocools
                  strong atheist
                  Isn't that sort of redundant? :wink:

                  I don't believe it's as faith-based as religion. If someone told you there was flying pink elephants, you wouldn't say "maybe, maybe not, but I won't put my belief in it" you would say "no there isn't". God is not a special case for belief, so I say there is no god.
                  Atheism is absolutely faith-based. If you're taking a stance that firmly denies a possibility, that is in essence making a guess, and you can't guess about something with empirical rigor. Thus, faith.

                  Not that there's anything wrong with faith. It is the bound counterpart to logic. A yin-yang, matter-energy sort of relationship.

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                  • ODurren
                    Member
                    • May 2009
                    • 66

                    #24
                    Momma always taught me to be open minded no matter what and be fully accepting of everyone's religion even if I don't have on for my own. I'm along the lines of "some days I want to believe" But in order for me to truly believe something is going to have to come down here and either shake my hand or smite my a**.

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                    • justintempler
                      Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 3090

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Starcadia
                      Atheism is absolutely faith-based. If you're taking a stance that firmly denies a possibility, that is in essence making a guess, and you can't guess about something with empirical rigor. Thus, faith.
                      Do you have empirical evidence Santa Claus doesn't exist?

                      Not believing in Santa Claus doesn't require faith.
                      Not believing in unicorns doesn't require faith.
                      Not believing in leprechauns doesn't require faith.
                      Not believing in dragons doesn't require faith.
                      Not believing in god doesn't require faith.

                      Atheism, no faith required.

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                      • HK11
                        Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 631

                        #26
                        Originally posted by justintempler
                        Originally posted by Starcadia
                        Atheism is absolutely faith-based. If you're taking a stance that firmly denies a possibility, that is in essence making a guess, and you can't guess about something with empirical rigor. Thus, faith.
                        Do you have empirical evidence Santa Claus doesn't exist?

                        Not believing in Santa Claus doesn't require faith.
                        Not believing in unicorns doesn't require faith.
                        Not believing in leprechauns doesn't require faith.
                        Not believing in dragons doesn't require faith.
                        Not believing in god doesn't require faith.

                        Atheism, no faith required.
                        Interesting. I can see both sides of this argument. On one hand, you do not require faith to be an atheist. On the other hand atheism is faith in the idea that God/Santa does not exist. Both sides are right. No ideal like God can be proved or disproved, so everyone wins.

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                        • Starcadia
                          Member
                          • May 2008
                          • 646

                          #27
                          Originally posted by justintempler
                          Do you have empirical evidence Santa Claus doesn't exist?

                          Not believing in Santa Claus doesn't require faith.
                          Not believing in unicorns doesn't require faith.
                          Not believing in leprechauns doesn't require faith.
                          Not believing in dragons doesn't require faith.
                          Not believing in god doesn't require faith.

                          Atheism, no faith required.
                          You've conveniently grouped unicorns and dragons, which are mythological beasts, with God, which is a metaphorical, philosophical device, which messes up your logic.

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                          • Premium Parrots
                            Super Moderators
                            • Feb 2008
                            • 9758

                            #28
                            What about the Easter Bunny?
                            Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





                            I've been wrong lots of times.  Lots of times I've thought I was wrong only to find out that I was right in the beginning.


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                            • HK11
                              Member
                              • May 2009
                              • 631

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Premium Parrots
                              What about the Easter Bunny?
                              Also, why don't I get any chocolate Jesus' at Christmas? On a side note, what exactly is the plural of Jesus?

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                              • justintempler
                                Member
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 3090

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Starcadia
                                You've conveniently grouped unicorns and dragons, which are mythological beasts, with God, which is a metaphorical, philosophical device, which messes up your logic.
                                Philosophical device, yep humans being aware of their own mortality and afraid of their own nonexistence.

                                Logic?......Talking snakes, men living inside fishes, pregnant virgins, the worldwide flood Jesus talked about, and sacrificing himself to himself.

                                John 3:16 revised
                                For God so loved the world,
                                that he had to sacrifice himself to himself
                                to appease himself
                                to satisfy rules he made himself
                                because of a problem he himself was responsible for from the beginning.
                                Logic?... Believe whatever you want, but don't talk to me about logic!

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