other gamers here?

[xrt]

I've been playing alot of CoD : World at War these days, the flamethrower perk is pretty sweet to clear buildings.
And NHL 11 on Xbox, just waiting for the demo to be released in August.

[RobsanX]

Video game murder, gore, sexual assault ok for minors. Just don't show them an uncovered boob!

Court: Calif. can't ban violent video game sales

By JESSE J. HOLLAND, Associated Press 16 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court on Monday refused to let California clamp down on the sale or rental of violent video games to children, saying governments lack authority to "restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed" despite complaints that the popular and fast-changing technology allows the young to simulate acts of brutality.

On a 7-2 vote, the high court upheld a federal appeals court decision to throw out California's ban on the sale or rental of violent video games to minors. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Sacramento had ruled that the law violated minors' rights under the First Amendment, and the high court agreed.
"No doubt a state possesses legitimate power to protect children from harm," said Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion. "But that does not include a free-floating power to restrict the ideas to which children may be exposed."

Video game makers and sellers celebrated their victory, saying the decision puts them on the same legal footing as other forms of entertainment. "There now can be no argument whether video games are entitled to the same protection as books, movies, music, and other expressive entertainment," said Bo Andersen, president and CEO of the Entertainment Merchants Association.

More than 46 million American households have at least one video-game system, with the industry bringing in at least $18 billion in 2010.

But at least two justices, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, indicated they would be willing to reconsider his vote throwing out the law, taking issue with the sweep of the court's holding.
"I would not squelch legislative efforts to deal with what is perceived by some to be a significant and developing social problem," Alito said, suggesting that a narrower state law might be upheld.

And an unlikely duo, conservative-leaning Clarence Thomas and liberal-leaning Stephen Breyer, agreed that the California video game ban should have been upheld, but for different reasons.

Breyer said the court's decision creates an insurmountable conflict in the First Amendment, especially considering that justices have upheld bans on the sale of pornography to children.

"What sense does it make to forbid selling to a 13-year-old boy a magazine with an image of a nude woman, while protecting the sale to that 13-year-old of an interactive video game in which he actively, but virtually, binds and gags the woman, then tortures and kills her?" Breyer said. "What kind of First Amendment would permit the government to protect children by restricting sales of that extremely violent video game only when the woman — bound, gagged, tortured and killed — is also topless."
And Thomas said the majority read something into the First Amendment that isn't there.

"The practices and beliefs of the founding generation establish that "the freedom of speech," as originally understood, does not include a right to speak to minors (or a right of minors to access speech) without going through the minors' parents or guardians," Thomas wrote.

California's 2005 law would have prohibited anyone under 18 from buying or renting games that give players the option of "killing, maiming, dismembering, or sexually assaulting an image of a human being." Parents would have been able to buy the games for their children, but retailers who sell directly to minors would have faced fines of up to $1,000 for each game sold.

That means that children would have needed an adult to get games like "Postal 2," the first-person shooter by developer Running With Scissors that features the ability to light unarmed bystanders on fire. It would also apply to the popular "Grand Theft Auto IV," a third-person shoot-'em-up from Rockstar Games that allows gamers to portray carjacking, gun-toting gangsters.

The California law never took effect. Lower courts have said the law violates minors' constitutional rights, and that California lacked enough evidence to prove that violent games cause physical and psychological harm to minors. Courts in six other states, including Michigan and Illinois, reached similar conclusions, striking down similar bans.

Unlike depictions of "sexual conduct," Scalia said, there is no tradition in the United States of restricting children's access to depictions of violence, pointing out the violence in the original depiction of many popular children's fairy tales like Hansel and Gretel, Cinderella and Snow White.

Hansel and Gretel kill their captor by baking her in an oven, Cinderella's evil stepsisters have their eyes pecked out by doves and the evil queen in Snow White is forced to wear red hot slippers and dance until she is dead, Scalia said.

"Certainly the books we give children to read — or read to them when they are younger — contain no shortage of gore," Scalia added.

And there is no definitive proof that violent video games causes harm to children, or any more harm than another other form of entertainment, he said.

One doctor "admits that the same effects have been found when children watch cartoons starring Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner or when they play video games like Sonic the Hedgehog that are rated `E' or even when they `view a picture of a gun," Scalia said. "Of course, California has (wisely) declined to restrict Saturday morning cartoon, the sale of games rated for young children, or the distribution of pictures of guns."

The case is Brown v. Entertainment Merchants Association, 08-1448.

[spirit72]

I know I'm a little late to the game, but I got a new PC, and I've been playing Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I like them so much I bought the novels set in the ME universe. Pretty awesome!

This is actually a great time to get into ME, with the 3rd installment coming next March. It was supposed to be out this Fall, but apparently got pushed back.

[sirloot]

Video game murder, gore, sexual assault ok for minors. Just don't show them an uncovered boob!

yeah when did it become the state or federal govt's job to protect kids .. aint that what parents are for ?

[RobsanX]

This is actually a great time to get into ME, with the 3rd installment coming next March. It was supposed to be out this Fall, but apparently got pushed back.

I know, it's amazing! I'm on my second full playthrough. I have a paragon male Shep ready for ME 3, and I'm about done through ME 1 with a renegade Femshep.

[extremetobaccoreview]

Anybody on here have a PS3 with Call of Duty Black Ops? I am also thinking about getting Modern Warfare 2. Add me on PSN chardic43

[sirloot]

anyone here play EvE online ? PC

[deadohsky]

I just got Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic the other day from steam, this is a great game if you haven't played it.

[texasmade]

@extreme I have black ops on ps3 also got a 360 a week or two ago and black ops on that as well as dark siders. Preordered mw3 for both and bc3, dark siders 2 for 360
PSN Lyrical_Sativa
Xbl Lyrical Sativa

[Veganpunk]

Playing Earth Defense Force: Insect Armageddon. I highly recommend it. It's like playing a B-Movie. 4 Player co op as well.

[sgreger1]

So i've played L.A. Noise a little bit and I stopped playing after about the 5th level. Way too repetative. I'll finish it eventually, but I find myself not excited to play it. if I could have ogtten a refund I would have. It's a great game, hihg quality, just not my thing. Too slow, too repetative, nothing new really. They way over-advertised on this new "facial scanning" feature. It's good, but it's not a big step above what already existed. I support rockstar so i bought it, but I don't expect there to be a sequel.

Some people may relaly like this game but it just wasn't my cup of tea. I've been to gamestop a few times since then and ther eis nothing new out that's good. I guess i'll just hav eto wait for Elder Scrolls:SKyrim to come out so I can close ym blind, tkae a month off work and dissapear from the face of the earth for a while. I hope it's better than Oblivion (tough act to follow up), but if it is I will play it for years (just like oblivion).

[threecommas]

Yes Skyrim! Just put a reserve on that today... Can't wait! I play 360 by the way.. Just joined obviously so this is a hello! Hmm I really like LA Noire... So far anyways.. Halfway through.. Currently playing Borderlands GOTY, LA Noire and Just Cause 2

[Nuusku]

Cant wait for skyrim

[sgreger1]

Yes Skyrim! Just put a reserve on that today... Can't wait! I play 360 by the way.. Just joined obviously so this is a hello! Hmm I really like LA Noire... So far anyways.. Halfway through.. Currently playing Borderlands GOTY, LA Noire and Just Cause 2

Welcome to the forum Threecommas!

Just Cause 2 and Borderlands are some of my favorite games. La Noire I only played half way through, it was a little slow but I liked it so i'll pick it up again later. Skyrim is going to be the shit, i'm definately going to have to take a day off work when it launches lol, I am a big elder scrolls fan.


I been playing "From Dust", which is an xbox 360 arcade game that is pretty awesome, kind of like populous but you terraform the planet to save your tribe. it's pretty cool and only $10 so totally worth it. Lately i've been playing games on my Mac though and kind of neglecting the xbox. Got Black and white 2 and minecraft taking up most of my time (minecraft being one of the best games of the last decade imo). Black and white 2 has me feeling that retro vibe lately too, all the COD style games have me jaded on all of the new stuff. 90's and early 2000 gaming is where it's at. Bring back Mechwarrior!

[Nuusku]

Any Team Fortress 2 gamers here?