Is Glenn Beck Nuts????

[justintempler]

And as for why some people support it, is because IT SENDS THEM A CHECK EVERY MONTH. People will go against what they believe if there is monitary gain involved.
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Right, the hypocrites are the ones screaming socialism the loudest, which is why I find it amusing.

When the people who say they are against socialism stand up and start calling for eliminating and/or fixing the problem then they will have my respect, until then I'll ignore the noise.

Hypocrites have zero credibility in my book.

I was a Ron Paul supporter last election and I do not agree with everything he stands for but he lives what he preaches and he has my respect. Those are the type of people we need working on solutions.

[sgreger1]

And as for why some people support it, is because IT SENDS THEM A CHECK EVERY MONTH. People will go against what they believe if there is monitary gain involved.
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Right, the hypocrites are the ones screaming socialism the loudest, which is why I find it amusing.

When the people who say they are against socialism stand up and start calling for eliminating and/or fixing the problem then they will have my respect, until then I'll ignore the noise.

Hypocrites have zero credibility in my book.

I was a Ron Paul supporter last election and I do not agree with everything he stands for but he lives what he preaches and he has my respect. Those are the type of people we need working on solutions.

Anyone who didn't like Bush, but does like Obama is a hypocrite of epic proportions. The same left wing that was saying how they didnt like Bush's bailouts or the wars or big government, patriot act, rendition, or CORPORATE WELFARE, are the same ones giving trillions in corporate welfare money to the same big companies, continuing the wars, endorsing the patriot act, continuing rendition, growing government.



You call me a hypocrite, when it is the left who complained how Bush spent so much and is bankrupting us, the same left that now endorses our historical increase in spending.



Bush after 8 years, 2 wars, and a major terrorist attack = 1.3 trillion$ deficit

Obama after 6 months = 9 trillion$ deficit estimate made by HIS OWN administration. And that's if we don't spend any more money, which we will.


And now he want to spend over a trillion as a down payment on healthcare? You liberals are the biggest hypocrites of all, talking about how "Bush bankrupted us", then turn around and octuplify the spending.



Even republicans hated Bush as was well displayed in his approval in the low 20%, considering that conservatives are the single largest political group in the country currently, that means most of them didnt agree with Bush. We are the same ones who are now disagreeing with Obama for the same reasons, BIG SPENDING, COMMIE SOCIALIST BAILOUT NONSENSE etc.


The reason why people want their social security checks is because they've been paying into it for their entire lives, you do the math.

[sgreger1]

"When the people who say they are against socialism stand up and start calling for eliminating and/or fixing the problem then they will have my respect,"


Its happening at a town hall near you guy, or at one of the thousands of tea parties held around the country on a regular basis. It's on the radio.

(We'll take that respect you promised now)

[VBSnus]

Bush after 8 years, 2 wars, and a major terrorist attack = 1.3 trillion$ deficit

Obama after 6 months = 9 trillion$ deficit estimate made by HIS OWN administration. And that's if we don't spend any more money, which we will.

Ah ah ah, careful. The total amount SPENT is a worthy metric. Bush was lucky he came in with a surplus.

Obama's amount doesn't account for money taken in to balance out. We won't know till the term's over the real amount SPENT.

Its happening at a town hall near you guy, or at one of the thousands of tea parties held around the country on a regular basis. It's on the radio.

I see a lot of people complaining, shouting, making slogans about socialism and communism, but I see no fixing. Where are the GOOD counter-proposals?

[truthwolf1]

I remember a few years ago Glenn Beck was full blown boot licking NeoCon. These days he sounds like he has flipped over to the Ron Paul/Patriot side with a lot of his material. My first thoughts were he is trying to get ratings but then again how could FOX news allow that kind of crazy patriot talk reach the sheep?

Freedom and the constitution was my special underground and now it is on mainstream news??

I am confused and this is getting really weird.

[sgreger1]

Bush after 8 years, 2 wars, and a major terrorist attack = 1.3 trillion$ deficit

Obama after 6 months = 9 trillion$ deficit estimate made by HIS OWN administration. And that's if we don't spend any more money, which we will.

Ah ah ah, careful. The total amount SPENT is a worthy metric. Bush was lucky he came in with a surplus.

Obama's amount doesn't account for money taken in to balance out. We won't know till the term's over the real amount SPENT.

Its happening at a town hall near you guy, or at one of the thousands of tea parties held around the country on a regular basis. It's on the radio.

I see a lot of people complaining, shouting, making slogans about socialism and communism, but I see no fixing. Where are the GOOD counter-proposals?

Ive been to a few, the main proposals I see are the things republicans have been saying for years, we have the worlds highest quality health care, it is just expensive and therefore not accessible to all so we need to find a way to make it cheaper, NOT change the whole thing into a government ran and subsidized program, because then it will turn out like most other large scale gov programs which =fail.

The main types of reform the republicans are proposing is TORT reform, not paying for illegals to be in our emergency rooms etc.

Just reigning in some of these ambulance chasers could save as much as a trillion a year in costs.

And with at least 20 million illegals in this country, most of whom have to use the emergency room since they can't get insurance, they are putting a huge strain on the system. We need to stop providing them with expensive ER care for coughs and sniffles. Illegals should only be trated if some life threatening accident happened while they were on our soil like they got into a severe car crash, not because little juanito has a runny nose.


Also, we need to reign in the drug companies. Everyone bails on the insurance companies but its the drug companies that are maliciousely profiting off of this. Insurance companies are not making record 40% profit like Obama keeps claiming, they make a marginal profit of 2-5% depending on the size of the company.

The fact that big pharmeceutical companies are donating billion to Obama for his proposed HC plan sends off a big red flag for me.


The point is that change and reform are needed, but it doesnt mean we should swing all the way over to Cuba to find answers. We do not need government ran anything as far as healthcare. We need tighter regulations, and we need to enforce the immegration laws, as well as putting a cap medical lawsuits.

[VBSnus]

All good and worthy points. I agree the drug companies are huge antagonists, they use the insurance mechanism to their best advantage and make the overhead even higher.

TORT reform, another good point. Ambulance chasers, another good point.

A trillion a year saved by reigning in ambulance chasers? Wow, that would pay for a public option.

But whatever the good ideas, and these ARE good ideas (despite my snark in that last comment), where are the BILLS.

Where is the counter-bill submitted to congress which outlines a plan? Where are the proposals, submitted to Congress, up against the Democrat bill? Where's the beef?

Ideas without bills = putting off the subject. Calling for honest debate without presenting a firm case = a way to get this vote put off until mid-terms. To me, a party which argues that more thought is needed without putting their own plan on the table raises red flags...that they want to just keep things the way they are.

The party of 'no' and all that.

[sgreger1]

All good and worthy points. I agree the drug companies are huge antagonists, they use the insurance mechanism to their best advantage and make the overhead even higher.

TORT reform, another good point. Ambulance chasers, another good point.

A trillion a year saved by reigning in ambulance chasers? Wow, that would pay for a public option.

But whatever the good ideas, and these ARE good ideas (despite my snark in that last comment), where are the BILLS.

Where is the counter-bill submitted to congress which outlines a plan? Where are the proposals, submitted to Congress, up against the Democrat bill? Where's the beef?

Ideas without bills = putting off the subject. Calling for honest debate without presenting a firm case = a way to get this vote put off until mid-terms. To me, a party which argues that more thought is needed without putting their own plan on the table raises red flags...that they want to just keep things the way they are.

The party of 'no' and all that.

"A trillion a year saved by reigning in ambulance chasers? Wow, that would pay for a public option. "

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO, well played.


But whatever the good ideas, and these ARE good ideas (despite my snark in that last comment), where are the BILLS.

Where is the counter-bill submitted to congress which outlines a plan? Where are the proposals, submitted to Congress, up against the Democrat bill? Where's the beef?


Two answers to that, 1 dems run everything right now, best bet is to try to not let them get away with too much, but they will get away with something. Republicans couldnt pass a bill to save their lifes right now.


BUT, republicans have submitted a few bills since this whole thing came about that would add provisions to this HC thing saying that we would not treat illegals under our new system and it was voted down. Same thing with abortions, one bill suggested that abortions not recieve public funding under the new HC bill and that was voted down too.


Frankly, I am not voting to re-elect even 1 incumbent this next election, I think the republicans are just as rotten as the dems.

Me biggest problem with the republican party today is that they are weak, and they forgot who they are. They complain and yet when given the oppertunity they do not fix it. Like why for much of the last 8 years did they not address any of these issues when they had the chance? Because they are lazy, now the dems will get their way because they have a fillabuster proof majority, its free game.

[sgreger1]

Also, in all fairness the repbulicans have always had their own bills, but never got media coverage. Like during the bailouts, the republicans had a full drafted plan of their own but it was strucken down. The media reported that "They are the party of no because they dont even have any of their own ideas to present, just complaints" and it frankly wasnt true.

Same thing now, republicans have bills, they get shot down, dem bills get all the media coverage = republicans realize that best plan is to try to not let dems get away with TOO much, but they know they will get away with something. best bet is to try to water down dems bill so it is not full gov control like they want.

[justintempler]

I see this thread isn't about solutions, it's about assigning blame, so I'm going to bow out. :roll:

[MrSnusNSnuff]

All good and worthy points. I agree the drug companies are huge antagonists, they use the insurance mechanism to their best advantage and make the overhead even higher.

TORT reform, another good point. Ambulance chasers, another good point.

A trillion a year saved by reigning in ambulance chasers? Wow, that would pay for a public option.

But whatever the good ideas, and these ARE good ideas (despite my snark in that last comment), where are the BILLS.

Where is the counter-bill submitted to congress which outlines a plan? Where are the proposals, submitted to Congress, up against the Democrat bill? Where's the beef?

Ideas without bills = putting off the subject. Calling for honest debate without presenting a firm case = a way to get this vote put off until mid-terms. To me, a party which argues that more thought is needed without putting their own plan on the table raises red flags...that they want to just keep things the way they are.

The party of 'no' and all that.

Ideas like the ones on this thread shouldn't go to waste. Who has a list of senators and reps who would be receptive to these ideas. I'm all for active citizenry.

I think of the movie Fight Club (my personal fave) in discussions like these. The main point of the movie is that if you have a good philosophy, a good idea, you don't contain it in a box. You let it out. You enact it. You do everything you can to spread it.

[wa3zrm]

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[sgreger1]

I see this thread isn't about solutions, it's about assigning blame, so I'm going to bow out. :roll:

If you would look around you would see that the posts above and below yours were both about solutions, as well as many other ideas. Like all liberals, you just don't want solutions which are not liberal solutions, and will blatantly stand up and claim that "there is no discussion going on here, just the party of NO again" when infact there is a discussion going on all around you, but you are too blind to see.

Have a nice day

[sgreger1]

Ideas like the ones on this thread shouldn't go to waste. Who has a list of senators and reps who would be receptive to these ideas. I'm all for active citizenry.

I think of the movie Fight Club (my personal fave) in discussions like these. The main point of the movie is that if you have a good philosophy, a good idea, you don't contain it in a box. You let it out. You enact it. You do everything you can to spread it.

I agree. my problem is that I live in California and although I barage my representatives endlessly with complaints and suggestions, and sometimes flat out threats, it all just seems to fall on deaf ears.


I complained to henry waxman and asked why he is trying to muck up the nation like he already has in california, and why he is trying this cap-and-trade scam and pushing healthcare.
He responded by saying in essence that it will all cost us nothing and create millions of new green jobs so I should stop complaining basicly.

Im voting every one of them out in 2010, and that goes for republicans to.

[zmanzero]

beck is a clown, a smart clown. beck stands near the cauldron of shit he stirs, deeply breathing the rising fumes as he juggles his way to the bank. that's all beck is, a shit whiffing stirrer of hate.