American Education

[outsidelinebacker20]

>Even though the prospects of pursuing a higher education is something I find desirable, I don't feel like drowning in debt, which is something most people don't think about.

So, you did not go. Now you need a rational for your lack of ambition. I am pretty sure most folks that take out student loans understand they will have to pay them back. They just want an education and are willing to do what it takes to get it. Not whine about poor disadvantaged me. "Only if mommy and daddy had more money..................."

>The current privatized college educational system in America is a failure.

That is why the rest of the world sends their kids to the US for school.

>With your regards to joining the military, I will pass on that.

Not surprising as that would require motivation as well. Oh, and a belief in a cause greater than yourself. Not likely from the sounds of it.

>While I support the troops who serve my country, I don't support the corrupt politicians that blatantly lie to the public for the interests of multinational corporations.

I gotta hand it to ya. You have an excuse for everything. Just keep telling yourself that the rest of your life. Then you can blame the rest of the world for never accomplishing what you want. Pretty young to be so cynical. You only have one shot at life. You can spend it making excuses in a dead end job, or grow the **** up and seize the day. Your call.

Kevin

[dupee419]

>Even though the prospects of pursuing a higher education is something I find desirable, I don't feel like drowning in debt, which is something most people don't think about.

So, you did not go. Now you need a rational for your lack of ambition. I am pretty sure most folks that take out student loans understand they will have to pay them back. They just want an education and are willing to do what it takes to get it. Not whine about poor disadvantaged me. "Only if mommy and daddy had more money..................."

>The current privatized college educational system in America is a failure.

That is why the rest of the world sends their kids to the US for school.

>With your regards to joining the military, I will pass on that.

Not surprising as that would require motivation as well. Oh, and a belief in a cause greater than yourself. Not likely from the sounds of it.

>While I support the troops who serve my country, I don't support the corrupt politicians that blatantly lie to the public for the interests of multinational corporations.

I gotta hand it to ya. You have an excuse for everything. Just keep telling yourself that the rest of your life. Then you can blame the rest of the world for never accomplishing what you want. Pretty young to be so cynical. You only have one shot at life. You can spend it making excuses in a dead end job, or grow the **** up and seize the day. Your call.

Kevin

I don't suppose you're american military living in germany?

I fully understand why parts of the world send their kids to the states for college, we have good colleges, not the best, but good (and if you're not paying with euros, they're ****ing expensive [last time I checked out the college I wanted to go to for botany the yearly tuition was $45k!]). Point is, NO ONE sends their kids here for primary school @ a public school, period. Private primary schools here go for about $20k a year. I don't know about you but I can't afford a private school when I have to pay $1500 per month rent (for an OK 2-3 bdrm apt), and a $300 power bill (hawaii power is expensive) plus food and other shit on a $35k/year income. If I want health insurance for my family I can pile an additional $500+/month onto that (what i would do for socialized healthcare).

You see exchange students once in a while, but that's about it. Even then, it's a cultural experience not an educational one from the tradition point of view. Hell we had an exchange student when I was in high school. She was from portugal. It took the school most of the year to figure out that she spoke portuguese not spanish, and that was why she was having a rough time(turns out we had 1 teacher that spoke portuguese). Most of the YEAR!!

This thread IS NOT about american colleges, it's about the american public school system from primary through high school. Those schools are for the most part SHIT. We have kids down here that graduated high school and have issues with reading 4 letter works other than **** and shit. I understand that a fair majority of the blame falls on the parents of said pea-brained individuals.

Here's an example of what you'll hear in a conversation here:
dude 1 - eh! howzit brah?
dude 2 - nuttin'
#1 - eh brah, 'and me da kine
#2 - hold up, i gotta she-she

make sense of that (you won't find a speech pattern like that anywhere else in the country). Half the time, the people that can hold a conversation in that manner can't speak proper english, and the schools pass them anyway.

And that leads me back to my point that americans as a general rule are some dumb people. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule.

[dupee419]

I got at friday even more proof that some of you americans have totally missed their schooldays. My friend spent whole summer in USA (visited seattle, new york and many other places) once his relatives friend asked where are you from, my friend answered "Finland". "Oh, where in America is it?" =DDD And he REALLY believed when my friend told him that we live in caves. :lol:


And yeah, if somebody of you are going to move to Sweden/Norway etc. you're going to love it, free healthcare etc. If you don't got a job you get nice amount of money with what you can live (about 1000 euros) pretty nicely alone. But stuff aint the cheapest here. But guys, if you move to Sweden, don't go to Malmö lol. :P

that is obscene. I've had experiences like that here. I'm originally from Vermont, and I've had people ask me what state it's in.

What's up with Malmo?

Search in youtube for muslim malmö, few of my warhammer online swedish guildies informed me about it because they live there themself and I herd it really sux, and you can see it from the videos aswell. o_O

I heard something about some really ****ed up shit that went down there a few years back.

[shikitohno]

My opinion on this is that americans as a whole, need to stop treating their own countrymen like shit all the time, improve the quality of life for the less fortunate here and stop spending all the money of 3rd world countries that got themselves into the mess they're in. We had our revolution when we got sick of the shit. Let them hold their own if they don't like their gov't. That's what every other sovereign nation in the world had to do till we came along.

The other problem of "helping" countries, is we only help the ones that have something we want, or some other strategic purpose (I'm still working out the details on why we help isreal, I mean they're the root cause of the shit in the middle east). What about the shit going on in Sudan? How many people in the US even really know what's going on over there? They don't sit on a mass of oil so we don't even hear about it in the news.

That was slightly off topic, but all still very much related to the quality of education in the US.

Not really on topic with the thread, but I'm going to go along on this one. The reason why the US and Europe help out Asian, African, and Latin American nations so much now is because those nations didn't get themselves into their problems, we took advantage of them and then left them with the fragments to clean up in the 1950s-1970s. The US didn't take part in colonialism as much (we definitely tried to in the Pacific though, and if you don't believe me, read an account of the Philippine-American War written by a Filipino), but we sure profited off it through the slave trade, and later taking advantage of nations through economic means.

France, Britain, and Germany left African, the Middle East, and Asia in ruins. They stripped Germany of her colonies after World War II, and then realised they were doing the exact same thing they were punishing Germany for. So, over the course of the next 30 years, they basically plundered their colonies for as much as they could, and then abandoned them to civil wars and insane dictators. They pretty much improvised the whole thing as the went along, and predictably, there were no sorts of government infrastructure or public works left in working order.

Africa and the rest of the so-called 3rd world could be doing much better for themselves if their colonial masters had actually acted with a reasonable plan for handing over power.

@outsidelinebacker20: It is ridiculous how much a university education costs. I'm in college, and transferring to a cheaper one so that it's more affordable. I'm also on track to finish college and get me degree in three years instead of four, so I'll hear none of this crap about lack of motivation. Even so, I'm looking at a $48,000 bill after graduating if I transfer to one of the cheaper schools I'm looking at. When other nations have developed systems which obviously work better than the one we use now, and cost considerably less, it's just obstinant to continue using this one.

And not everyone wants to join the military. It doesn't make much sense to take a bullet for a country in order for it to pay for college, when you plan on using that college degree to move to another country, now does it?

And the rest of the world hardly sends their kids here for schools. In developing nations, those who can afford to do it often do, but you don't see many kids coming over from Europe to do four years here unless they're going to a school that's known for being one of the best in a particular field. Even so, it actually costs much less for international students to study in the US than it does for US citizens. My mother's boss has peruvian citizenship, and brought her daughter to the US for university. She was an average student, but since she was an international student, the US government took care of about $19,000 of her $20,000 a year college bill. She only had to pay the balance and buy her own textbooks.

[dupee419]

My opinion on this is that americans as a whole, need to stop treating their own countrymen like shit all the time, improve the quality of life for the less fortunate here and stop spending all the money of 3rd world countries that got themselves into the mess they're in. We had our revolution when we got sick of the shit. Let them hold their own if they don't like their gov't. That's what every other sovereign nation in the world had to do till we came along.

The other problem of "helping" countries, is we only help the ones that have something we want, or some other strategic purpose (I'm still working out the details on why we help isreal, I mean they're the root cause of the shit in the middle east). What about the shit going on in Sudan? How many people in the US even really know what's going on over there? They don't sit on a mass of oil so we don't even hear about it in the news.

That was slightly off topic, but all still very much related to the quality of education in the US.

Not really on topic with the thread, but I'm going to go along on this one. The reason why the US and Europe help out Asian, African, and Latin American nations so much now is because those nations didn't get themselves into their problems, we took advantage of them and then left them with the fragments to clean up in the 1950s-1970s. The US didn't take part in colonialism as much (we definitely tried to in the Pacific though, and if you don't believe me, read an account of the Philippine-American War written by a Filipino), but we sure profited off it through the slave trade, and later taking advantage of nations through economic means.

France, Britain, and Germany left African, the Middle East, and Asia in ruins. They stripped Germany of her colonies after World War II, and then realised they were doing the exact same thing they were punishing Germany for. So, over the course of the next 30 years, they basically plundered their colonies for as much as they could, and then abandoned them to civil wars and insane dictators. They pretty much improvised the whole thing as the went along, and predictably, there were no sorts of government infrastructure or public works left in working order.

Africa and the rest of the so-called 3rd world could be doing much better for themselves if their colonial masters had actually acted with a reasonable plan for handing over power.

@outsidelinebacker20: It is ridiculous how much a university education costs. I'm in college, and transferring to a cheaper one so that it's more affordable. I'm also on track to finish college and get me degree in three years instead of four, so I'll hear none of this crap about lack of motivation. Even so, I'm looking at a $48,000 bill after graduating if I transfer to one of the cheaper schools I'm looking at. When other nations have developed systems which obviously work better than the one we use now, and cost considerably less, it's just obstinant to continue using this one.

And not everyone wants to join the military. It doesn't make much sense to take a bullet for a country in order for it to pay for college, when you plan on using that college degree to move to another country, now does it?

And the rest of the world hardly sends their kids here for schools. In developing nations, those who can afford to do it often do, but you don't see many kids coming over from Europe to do four years here unless they're going to a school that's known for being one of the best in a particular field. Even so, it actually costs much less for international students to study in the US than it does for US citizens. My mother's boss has peruvian citizenship, and brought her daughter to the US for university. She was an average student, but since she was an international student, the US government took care of about $19,000 of her $20,000 a year college bill. She only had to pay the balance and buy her own textbooks.

I had forgotten about the BS that went on during WWII. You raise a very good point. I will at no point argue that we shouldn't clean up something we caused.

You also raise a very good point on international students. Come to think of it the last one I met was from the Congo. Her mom worked for WHO, but who's to say how she's doing financially. Pretty much all the other students in american colleges are citizens.

Back to the public education system....

[snusjus]

"So, you did not go. Now you need a rational for your lack of ambition. I am pretty sure most folks that take out student loans understand they will have to pay them back. They just want an education and are willing to do what it takes to get it. Not whine about poor disadvantaged me. "Only if mommy and daddy had more money...................""

I simply made a logical decision that college was not a smart move financially. I have several friends that are in severe debt because they can't find jobs with their degrees. Laziness, or "lack of ambition" had no effect on my decision to attend college. I work 45-50 hours and actually enjoy my job. Hard work never hurt anyone.

"That is why the rest of the world sends their kids to the US for school."

Third world countries send a good amount of their students to America for a college education, but European countries hardly send any. In the United Kingdom, less than 10,000 students are currently attending college in America.

"Not surprising as that would require motivation as well. Oh, and a belief in a cause greater than yourself. Not likely from the sounds of it."

Belief in a cause greater than myself? I guess invading foreign countries for the benefits of private interests groups is definitely a cause worth killing and dying for.

"I gotta hand it to ya. You have an excuse for everything. Just keep telling yourself that the rest of your life. Then you can blame the rest of the world for never accomplishing what you want. Pretty young to be so cynical. You only have one shot at life. You can spend it making excuses in a dead end job, or grow the **** up and seize the day. Your call."

I appreciate your pompousness and venomous attitude toward others that don't hold your opinions or have different goals in life than you. Very mature buddy.

-snusjus

Kevin

:wink:

[VBSnus]

[snusjus]

VBSnus^

I remember that from a few years ago. That made me laugh so hard!!!

BTW.. what happened to georgia??? my cousin says hees fine. no1 in my familee said anything mager happened. from wut ive herd, atlanta is still OK

[Condor]

Hell yeah! I'm a high school congradulate! Nothin won't stop me now accept my inate inabilitree to progress cognicious thunk.

[justintempler]

Speaking of Georgia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19682-Atla...lture-Examiner

Eddie Snipes is a young earth creationist that believes the world is 6,000 years old and that the science books are full of lies. Him and his wife are home schooling their 5 daughters.

[dupee419]

Speaking of Georgia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19682-Atla...lture-Examiner

Eddie Snipes is a young earth creationist that believes the world is 6,000 years old and that the science books are full of lies. Him and his wife are home schooling their 5 daughters.

I wanna know where they got the math to get that number. I had an ex that was a jehovahs witness and her parents maintained that people lived to be over 200 years old back in the days of jesus until god got pissed and shortened the life span. Always thought that was odd.

Anyone seen Jesus Camp?? ****in scary man, really scary.

[sundog]

Damn!
And we were hoping the Russians would burn Atlanta!

[justintempler]

..I wanna know where they got the math to get that number..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher_chronology

[snusjus]

Speaking of Georgia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-19682-Atla...lture-Examiner

Eddie Snipes is a young earth creationist that believes the world is 6,000 years old and that the science books are full of lies. Him and his wife are home schooling their 5 daughters.

Now there's a surprise: Christian fundamentalists homeschooling their children! If they don't know anything from the outside world, their minds won't be corrupted by rational thinking!

[Snusophile]

You know, in many/all cases, you can skirt around paying 20k a year in tuition like I did and start my first two years of college in a community college for less than $5,000 a year. My folks couldn't afford to send me to school so I took it upon myself. I was able to pay for school while working a mere 25 hours a week in a FAST FOOD restaurant and still had money to burn. Of course I saved my money first and bought my first car with cold hard cash, and traveled to Asia without a dime of assistance to boot. I happened to do well enough in community college to earn a very substantial scholarship to a world renowned university where I completed my degree and lived happily ever after. (Or so I thought.) Of course now I'm in a little bit of debt due to my masters program but who cares. The only thing more expensive than going to college is NOT going to college. I would have cleaned shit in a zoo for minimum wage if it meant I could get an education.