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**Veganpunk** · 02-09-09, 10:02 PM

When I read the topic name I was thinking Pro Snus. :cry: I keep thinking of the grape. Good find though nonetheless.

**sagedil** · 02-09-09, 11:22 PM

I hear the grape Access 2007 is yummy. :wink:

**Veganpunk** · 02-09-09, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by sagedil

I hear the grape Access 2007 is yummy. :wink:

HAR HAR HAR

I saw Win like "wow how can I win some Pro Snus?"

**sundog** · 03-09-09, 02:41 AM

Can you imagine how bad snus would be if Microsoft made it? :lol:

**bakerbarber** · 03-09-09, 03:05 AM

I don't get it.

I think I may buy a new PC that is "upgrade free" to win 7 because my desktop is kinda old and slow.

I'm a terrible multitasker and the old single core AMD XP processor in my basement can't keep up with me. I've got it on 2gigs of RAM but after five years I'm due for an upgrade.

I primarily use my newer laptop, but need my desktop to do work related things. My wife is a teacher and uses it to print reams of worksheets and things. She is also a semester away from her Master's degree so she needs a stable platform to write reports on and her laptop is ok until she needs to print and store digital copies.

I've thought of getting a networked hard drive after seeing some very reasonable prices on 1 TB units. My problem is my all in one printer/ copier/ fax is not networked.

I'm anal about keeping all our personal stuff on one PC and leaving our laptops bare for entertainment.

I'm thinking of getting something with a tuner installed so I can use media center to dvr some programming. My current set up is dual monitor, one of which is a TV, at the end of our rec room in the basement. It works out well to watch movies from either the net or cable.

I'm just not sure if I want lowest price that's going to need upgraded or replaced within three years, or top of the line which will cost a fortune.

Anyway, thanks for the link lx

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**lxskllr** · 03-09-09, 03:27 AM

Your best bet is to build yourself if you want to future proof the machine as much as possible. By building yourself you can pick components that are overclock friendly, and get a free power boost. Intel's chips for the last few years have been great overclockers, and it's easy to to get a nice risk free overclock. You can push them harder of course, but you have to be willing to take the risk, and do the appropriate stability testing.

I've been running my E6600(2.40ghz) at 3.33ghz for 3 years now without issue. I think I could have gotten a solid 3.50ghz with some tweaking, but I was stable at 3.40ghz, and I lowered it to 3.33ghz for a little margin of safety.

**bakerbarber** · 03-09-09, 03:35 AM

Would be a great hobby for me, but I am afraid of making expensive mistakes.

With the internet I can learn to do anything. No doubt in my mind I can do it.

At the end of the day I'm too lazy. I'm real big on instant gratification.

I don't do much gaming or anything intense. I do like to have web browser, email, torrent client, office- word or excel, and whatever else all going simultaneously.

I have a friend who will do what I need. He cleared me up on overclocking. I asked about doing it to my machine. He said you have to do it during the build.

Maybe I get one of those super cheap bare bones kits and ask him to help me build it.

**lxskllr** · 03-09-09, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by bakerbarber

I have a friend who will do what I need. He cleared me up on overclocking. I asked about doing it to my machine. He said you have to do it during the build.

That's not really true. You can overclock any time as long as the motherboard supports it. It depends on your exact equipment though. Bottom end boards have limited-non existent overclocking options, and if it's a big box oem(Dell, HP, Lenovo...) you're pretty much SOL, except for some squirrely hacks, or advanced hardware mods.

Edit:
building your own's pretty easy these days. It looks like a confusing mess when you unbox the parts, but it all goes together very logically. Dell's prices are hard to beat from the low-mid end, but at the higher end it makes sense to build yourself, or if you want to tweak your setup.

**sm0ke42o** · 03-09-09, 05:16 AM

TechNet ftw 8)

**Jason** · 03-09-09, 06:42 AM

Originally posted by lxskllr

I've been running my E6600(2.40ghz) at 3.33ghz for 3 years now without issue. I think I could have gotten a solid 3.50ghz with some tweaking, but I was stable at 3.40ghz, and I lowered it to 3.33ghz for a little margin of safety.

Intel?? Ewwww....... :P

j/k; I am just another AMD fanboy, though. Those are actually good numbers you are putting out. I have an X2 5000+ Black Edition that is sitting at 3.2 Ghz at the moment; that is my sweet spot as I also have not messed with memory timings or mobo tweaks either. The good thing is that these are relatively low-voltage procs, so bumping up CPU voltage is not much of a problem (rare for AMD) and you can usually get away with running the stock HSU.

I have seen nutbags on the OC sites manage to push them up to 4 Ghz......they call it stable if Windows actually boots long enough to get a screenshot, but it is pointless and damaging if you ask me.

**lxskllr** · 03-09-09, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Jason

I have seen nutbags on the OC sites manage to push them up to 4 Ghz......they call it stable if Windows actually boots long enough to get a screenshot, but it is pointless and damaging if you ask me.

It depends on what you're in it for. Those guys are the drag racers, trying to get the highest speeds, safety be damned. That's not my thing. I'm just looking for free performance, and a stable system. I enjoy tweaking and everything, but stability's my primary goal.

**sheilalynn** · 03-09-09, 07:52 PM

Originally posted by sundog

Can you imagine how bad snus would be if Microsoft made it? :lol:

Microsoft Snus 1.0...cardboard portion material that hides the tobacco system underneath, forcing customers to cut it apart and bareback the snus. Scratched idea and sent back to the manufacturers.

Microsoft Snus 3.11...slightly better version with holes poked in the cardboard. Unfortunately the holes were too big and it allowed many virii to enter the snus and cause major malfunctions in the host system. Idea scratched after the 3rd lawsuit due to intestinal distress from trying to get it to work. Sent back to the manufacturers.

Microsoft Snus 95...first version of snus that actually worked as it was supposed to. However, the limits of it left many wondering where the oomph was in the flavor, which was non existant even after changing portion material to teabags. Tech support for the snus blamed the end user for the problems and told them they would have to put the snus in their mouth, get it wet, and reboot by removing and placing it in the proper position in their upper lip. Some problems solved by this new technology, but others put off by the cold slimy snus packet after rebooting.

Microsoft Snus ME...ditched cuz it sucked

MIcrosoft Snus XP...XP as in Xtra Problems. snus requires constant rebooting and many additional periphials such as external flavor and moisture substances to make it work. Much overclocking needed to handle the additional load of the larger, more bloated than ever snus. Tech support moved to India in hopes that complaints would end due to nobody being able to understand what tech support was trying to tell them underneath their thick accents. Snus sent back for total reworking.

Microsoft Vista Snus...lots of flashy packaging in hopes to woo back previous users. Required jaws of life to open packaging and none of the previous XP users could upgrade their previous snus, leaving them pissed at having to buy all new teeth and gums to be able to use the new snus. Price of the snus also rises above what anyone wants to pay and it gets dumped into a landfill.

Microsoft gives up snus, Linux starts manufacturing snus and everyone is happy with the taste, variety, and pricing. Problem solved

:wink:

Maybe I should've put this in a new thread, hehe

**Veganpunk** · 03-09-09, 08:07 PM

Nice post. But the Vista Snus would ask you 3 different times if you're sure you want to take it!

**sm0ke42o** · 03-09-09, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Jason

Originally posted by lxskllr

I've been running my E6600(2.40ghz) at 3.33ghz for 3 years now without issue. I think I could have gotten a solid 3.50ghz with some tweaking, but I was stable at 3.40ghz, and I lowered it to 3.33ghz for a little margin of safety.

Intel?? Ewwww....... :P

j/k; I am just another AMD fanboy, though. Those are actually good numbers you are putting out. I have an X2 5000+ Black Edition that is sitting at 3.2 Ghz at the moment; that is my sweet spot as I also have not messed with memory timings or mobo tweaks either. The good thing is that these are relatively low-voltage procs, so bumping up CPU voltage is not much of a problem (rare for AMD) and you can usually get away with running the stock HSU.

I have seen nutbags on the OC sites manage to push them up to 4 Ghz......they call it stable if Windows actually boots long enough to get a screenshot, but it is pointless and damaging if you ask me.

I was all about AMD and had only built AMD systems for myself until I saw the comparison of i7 to the Phenom. I was really hoping that AMD would pull their head out and pwn i7 with Phenom. Alas they failed miserably and I was forced to reevaluate a position I held for many years.

I'm happy to say that I am now an intel fanboy with the i7 920 (2.67Ghz) pushed to 3.9 on air. I have to say this is the most stable system I have ever built and I have yet to find a process or processes that push the limits of this machine. Here are my rig specs:

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM
Intel Core i7 920 @ 3.980GHz (QPI 20*199)
Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme-1366 RT
EVGA E758-A1 3-Way SLI
6GB Corsair XMS3 (3 X 2GB) DDR3 1333 Triple Channel
WD 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3GB/s HDD / WD 250GB SATA HDD / Maxtor 100GB SATA HDD
2 x EVGA GeForce 8800GTS SLI w/ 2 x Thermaltake DuOrb Fan & Dual Heatpipe
Soundblaster X-Fi Fatal1ty Titanium Champion Series
Aerocool ExtremeEngine 3T Case w/120mm Fan w/ Antec 650w PSU
Logitech G5 Mouse – Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard

Runs Win 7 smooth as butter.

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