Does anyone believe that ObamaCare will not cover illegals?

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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    Does anyone believe that ObamaCare will not cover illegals?

    I don't know how he can say republicans are lying when it is the CONGRESSIONAL RESEARCH SERVICES (CRS), the "research arm" for the United States Congress, issued a report validating an analysis by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), that illegal aliens would be able to receive benefits under the House health care reform bill, America's Affordable Health Care Act of 2009 (H.R. 3200).


    The report, Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, states definitively, "H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitizens - whether legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently - participating in the Exchange." H.R. 3200 establishes a Health Insurance Exchange which would provide individuals and small businesses with access to health care plans, including the "public option" to be managed by the government.


    CRS also confirms FAIR's assessment that the House bill does not include a mechanism to prevent illegal aliens from receiving "affordability credits" that would subsidize the purchase of private health insurance. CRS specifically noted the absence "of a provision in the bill specifying the verification procedure." Because the language is ambiguous, all CRS could reasonably conclude is that any eligibility determination would be the responsibility of the Health Choices Commissioner.


    The CRS analysis comes after weeks of denials by Members of Congress that illegal aliens could receive benefits under the House bill. These denials were echoed by countless media and health care "experts" who dismissed public concerns as myths, or as politically orchestrated attacks.

    The House Ways & Means Committee had the opportunity to include language that would have barred illegal aliens from enrolling in the proposed public option or receiving the affordability credits, but chose not to. An amendment offered by Rep. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) would have applied the same eligibility verification procedures for coverage under H.R. 3200 that have been used for years to prove eligibility for Medicaid. That amendment was rejected by a party-line vote.
  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #2
    If the proposed plan leaves it up to Dr's to verify residency status, and does not provide oversight to make sure they are doing so, than how can we expect them not to treat anyone since they know they are going to get paid either way.

    Federal law still states that you may not even ask if someone is legal or not when they come to the ER, and this bill does nothing to change that.


    So HOW could the Presidnet possibly continue calling republicans liers when they are obviousely telling the truth?

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    • lxskllr
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 13435

      #3
      I honestly don't care that much. My money goes to support native born Americans that I otherwise wouldn't choose to support. If some illegals are in there too... Not much difference to me. Nothing in the world is going the way I'd like it to. I'm just counting the days until I check out, so whatever happens, happens. I won't like it regardless....

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Originally posted by lxskllr
        I honestly don't care that much. My money goes to support native born Americans that I otherwise wouldn't choose to support. If some illegals are in there too... Not much difference to me. Nothing in the world is going the way I'd like it to. I'm just counting the days until I check out, so whatever happens, happens. I won't like it regardless....
        Ah you can't take that attitude about life! Think of all the snuses you'll leave behind.

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        • lxskllr
          Member
          • Sep 2007
          • 13435

          #5
          Originally posted by sgreger1

          Ah you can't take that attitude about life! Think of all the snuses you'll leave behind.
          I'm just tired of all the nannying, and artificial controls that are put on my existence. Snus is a perfect example. Snus, and everything that surrounds it is American life in a microcosm. Land of the free my ass.... :^S

          Not that it's much better anywhere else. The whole world has gone in a direction I don't really like, and it can't really be fixed. The only way to fix it is to start over. Maybe an asteroid strike....

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          • paulwall9
            Member
            • Nov 2008
            • 743

            #6
            Lx, I have felt the same way for sometime now! It will take something big to correct the way things are! I sometimes wish things were stillthe way they were on little house on the praire jking!

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            • Veganpunk
              Member
              • Jun 2009
              • 5381

              #7
              A certain Bad Religion song comes to mind.

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              • sgreger1
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 9451

                #8
                Originally posted by lxskllr
                Originally posted by sgreger1

                Ah you can't take that attitude about life! Think of all the snuses you'll leave behind.
                I'm just tired of all the nannying, and artificial controls that are put on my existence. Snus is a perfect example. Snus, and everything that surrounds it is American life in a microcosm. Land of the free my ass.... :^S

                Not that it's much better anywhere else. The whole world has gone in a direction I don't really like, and it can't really be fixed. The only way to fix it is to start over. Maybe an asteroid strike....

                I feel you. Sometimes I wish it were 2 hundred years ago and everyone just did their own thing on their own property. you were responsible to make sure you and your family could eat every day but no one was regulating you constantly telling you what you cna or can't do.

                Land of the free(er) would be a better way to put it. We definately are becoming less free every day.

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                • sgreger1
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #9
                  On the poll I noticed 1 person says they believe Obama will not include illegals.

                  On what possible basis could you make such a claim? Because he magicly says it you think it will happen? THERE IS NO SYSTEM IN PLACE OR BEING PROPOSED THAT WOULD NOT ALLOW ILLEGALS.

                  Republicans tried to close loopholes in the bill that would allow illegals and the dems voted it down. If dems don't
                  want illegals, than why vote down legislation that would make Dr's have to verify residency?



                  THERE IS NOTHING STOPPING ILLEGALS FROM GETTING ACCESS TO FREE CARE. IT IS JUST AS F**KED AS THE CURRENT SYSTEM.





                  edited the F bomb by PP

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                  • sagedil
                    Member
                    • Nov 2007
                    • 7077

                    #10
                    Umm.. Cause the one "Bill" that is in existence at this point, the House Bill. Specifically says that NO money can be used to cover non citizens.

                    Jeez, give it a freakin rest. read the Bill. It will do exactly as it is written



                    Seven Falsehoods About Health Care
                    Big myths about the current debate






                    False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

                    One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

                    H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

                    Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

                    Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

                    "Misleading GOP Health Care Claims" July 23


                    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/sev...t-health-care/

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                    • tom502
                      Member
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 8985

                      #11
                      My only real beef with Obamacare, is it's not about "health care" but insurance company empowerment. I think the worst thing about health care IS the insurance companies. Giving them more power is not the answer.

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                      • RobsanX
                        Member
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2030

                        #12
                        I suspect that you have to prove citizenship to get a job, and get coverage. I'm not sure how it would be different than it is now. Right now illegals can get treated at hospitals.

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                        • sagedil
                          Member
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 7077

                          #13
                          And taking their power completely away is simply not possible in the environment.

                          I agree with many that say this is a long process, with many, many steps ahead of us. If I can at least get a minimum good out of this bill. No longer allowing insurance companies the power to cancel a policy when you get sick, ensuring ANYONE can get insurance, I will be OK for now.

                          yes, I want a public option as that is the only way I can see holding the feet of the Insurance companies to the fire. If I have to settle with Olympia Snowes proposal, for a "trigger' mechanism, ie, if insurance companies fail to fix themselves within 3 or 5 years, THEN a public option is created, I will live with it if I must.

                          I wish we could at least agree that what is, isn't working now.

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                          • sgreger1
                            Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #14
                            Originally posted by sagedil
                            Umm.. Cause the one "Bill" that is in existence at this point, the House Bill. Specifically says that NO money can be used to cover non citizens.

                            Jeez, give it a freakin rest. read the Bill. It will do exactly as it is written



                            Seven Falsehoods About Health Care
                            Big myths about the current debate






                            False: Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered

                            One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we’ve been peppered with queries about similar claims. They’re not true. In fact, the House bill (the only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage:

                            H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS

                            Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.

                            Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don’t qualify for federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don’t offer it.

                            "Misleading GOP Health Care Claims" July 23


                            http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/sev...t-health-care/


                            Sage, surely you cannot be seriouse. You do realize that if a bill says no illegals can be covered, but then fails to set up any method by which this will be enforced, than illegals will still be covered because the Dr's want to make the money.


                            This can be seen with anything. Current laws say employers cannot employ illegals, and yet they do every day. Because there is no system in place that forces these people to verify the residency status.

                            I have read the bill, but I also understand how things happen in the real world.

                            This allows the democrats to say "the bill says no illegals" so they gain political points, but on the backside, once it is implemented, there is nothing in place to ACTUALLY MAKE SURE IT IS ENFORCED.


                            Current federal law says that you cannot question anyone about their residency status when they show up looking for care. Tell me wher ein the bill it repeals that.

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                            • sgreger1
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9451

                              #15
                              If any of you want to read the best article written by a liberal on why Obama care is not even real reform, but instead just helping insurance and pharmaceutical companies, read this:

                              http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ck_and_wrong/7

                              They are liberals who are advocating a one payer system, but still this is the best researched article I have read on why this thing is all ****ed up to date.


                              It is long but explains, from a liberal viewpoint, why this "change" is not change at all but instead more of the same.


                              We (dem/reps) want REAL reform, not something that empowers insurers and drug companies.

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