911 We will not forget you.

[Veganpunk]

I saw the official "debunker" stuff, but I am not convinced.

This info is from before the net, but I find the best website is:

moonmovie.com

It has loads of info an videos.

I'm just not convinced we went.
We can't even do it now. And that was 1969(or 67?). The US is also the only one that "went", yet stopped when Russia had the ability to track such a trip.

The Space Shuttle can only go just past 200 miles up, because of the deadly radiation, yet the moon is like 250,000 miles away.

The evidence, to me, favors we didn't go.
I wasn't there, I could be wrong, but that's what I think.

Surely it was inevitable that I would come rant on this thread as well. lol, i'm sure everyone is getting pissed with my bringing heated political threads to snuson.

But Tom, while I was also a subscriber to this for a while. I have to say. The evidence is just to vast that we were there. I mean they left things on the moon, we obviousely are still continuing space flight today as well, and a new manned mission is being planned even today. I can get into conspiracies too, but this one has only evidence which has been fully debunked.


I always think NASA is hiding shit from us and I am a firm believer in ET's, but even I have to call BS on the "we didn't even go to the moon" theory. Theres just too much evidence that can't be faked, because it is sitting on the moon lol.

yea, I was surprised it took you this long. lol :lol: :lol:

[sgreger1]

yea, I was surprised it took you this long. lol :lol: :lol:

Lol, yes despite popular belief, I actually do accomplish some work during the day.


Frankly, i'm still hung on the 9-11 thing. The gov is too stupid to have pulled it off imo. Blaming Bush is getting old, and I think he was too dumb. But at the same time there are too many unanswered questions.

More than likely it was a covert agency such as the CIA or someone else with power that did it. I believe that obviousely islamic terrorists did it but who financed or enlisted them to do it are probably of some higher power. It was just too flawless to say that Bush did it frankly, especially with only 9 months as president.

[justintempler]

.. I can get into conspiracies too, but this one has only evidence which has been fully debunked. ...

I find it amusing when people can see the holes in someone else's conspiracies but they can't see the holes in their own.

Enjoy yourselves 8)

[sgreger1]

JustimTemplar:
"I find it amusing when people can see the holes in someone else's conspiracies but they can't see the holes in their own. "



Lol. Saying we didn't goto the moon and pointing out that Obamas bill does not address the fact illegals will still be covered are apples and oranges. Also, some conspiracies are hoaxes, and some are just observations of the obviouse.


If any of you people really believe that a far left democrat like Obama, or the pro-illegal immegration dems that controll the house/senate would ACTUALLY pass a bill that stops illegals from draining our systems, than perhaps all hope has been lost. I

Its like saying Bush just wrote legislation that would stop war profiteering, when you know damn well that that is not his true aim. Same with Obama claiming he is going to weed out the illegals, it will just never happen.

[CM]

http://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=65510&c=5 =D


You can guys watch from youtube etc. where ENGINEERS are explaining why those towers were detonated by somebody. I mean comeon, dont you think it was designed so that if one floor goes down no another will go down, if not, then the engineer of wtc's was nuts and so on.

+The core of the building was just so huge, it doesn't matter if the outside pillars were damaged, if the core stands, everything is OK. And its really hard to get your hands to it. O_o

[justintempler]

JustimTemplar:
"I find it amusing when people can see the holes in someone else's conspiracies but they can't see the holes in their own. "



Lol. Saying we didn't goto the moon and pointing out that Obamas bill does not address the fact illegals will still be covered are apples and oranges. Also, some conspiracies are hoaxes, and some are just observations of the obviouse.


If any of you people really believe that a far left democrat like Obama, or the pro-illegal immegration dems that controll the house/senate would ACTUALLY pass a bill that stops illegals from draining our systems, than perhaps all hope has been lost. I

Its like saying Bush just wrote legislation that would stop war profiteering, when you know damn well that that is not his true aim. Same with Obama claiming he is going to weed out the illegals, it will just never happen.

HUH???????????? Are you lost?

I think you got your threads confused

This one is about 9/11 and moon landings. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[spirit72]

The word is used negatively so much, people associate it wrong. Same thing with the word Liberal. "those crazy liberals"

In fact, the political discourse in the U.S. has become so polarized and detached from the truth on all sides, that in my opinion the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative" have no real meaning anymore.

[dupee419]

Why is it one never sees anything like this when the anniversary of the world wars comes about? I understand 9/11 was fairly recent and all, but more people died in the world wars than in 150 9/11's and those guys were civilians once too. Last I checked WW2 didn't even have a memorial erected yet, but that may have changed since (might have been WW1 I'm thinking of).

Regardless, I'm not saying that people shouldn't remember 9/11, but dammit remember the millions that died to preserve a freedom we have since basically given up in the name of "security", they deserve better than being pushed aside for some 2000 people that died in what may or may not have been staged by the gov't (I refuse to take sides on that), and in the grand scheme a measly body count when compared to the civilians and soldiers that are being killed or maimed in the current war. Just remember them all equally, and don't make a bigger deal out of one or another.

Ben Franklin once said "Those who give up freedom to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both." That may be slightly skewed, but the sentiment is intact.

Sorry, I've got strong opinions on this one.

[Redbeard]

Why is it one never sees anything like this when the anniversary of the world wars comes about? I understand 9/11 was fairly recent and all, but more people died in the world wars than in 150 9/11's and those guys were civilians once too. Last I checked WW2 didn't even have a memorial erected yet, but that may have changed since (might have been WW1 I'm thinking of).

Regardless, I'm not saying that people shouldn't remember 9/11, but dammit remember the millions that died to preserve a freedom we have since basically given up in the name of "security", they deserve better than being pushed aside for some 2000 people that died in what may or may not have been staged by the gov't (I refuse to take sides on that), and in the grand scheme a measly body count when compared to the civilians and soldiers that are being killed or maimed in the current war. Just remember them all equally, and don't make a bigger out of one or another.

Ben Franklin once said "Those who give up freedom to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both." That may be slightly skewed, but the sentiment is intact.

Sorry, I've got strong opinions on this one.

While I completely get where you're coming from with this, 9/11 was this generation's Pearl Harbor. In my opinion, body counts are irrelevant. Tragedy is tragedy no matter the scale. Of course you will hear more talk about 9/11. In the 1940's, I'm certain there was more discussion of Pearl Harbor than the sinking of the Lusitania. It does not make one event more tragic than the other. We simply have a tendency to relate more to the recent events.

[dupee419]

Why is it one never sees anything like this when the anniversary of the world wars comes about? I understand 9/11 was fairly recent and all, but more people died in the world wars than in 150 9/11's and those guys were civilians once too. Last I checked WW2 didn't even have a memorial erected yet, but that may have changed since (might have been WW1 I'm thinking of).

Regardless, I'm not saying that people shouldn't remember 9/11, but dammit remember the millions that died to preserve a freedom we have since basically given up in the name of "security", they deserve better than being pushed aside for some 2000 people that died in what may or may not have been staged by the gov't (I refuse to take sides on that), and in the grand scheme a measly body count when compared to the civilians and soldiers that are being killed or maimed in the current war. Just remember them all equally, and don't make a bigger out of one or another.

Ben Franklin once said "Those who give up freedom to gain a little security deserve neither and will lose both." That may be slightly skewed, but the sentiment is intact.

Sorry, I've got strong opinions on this one.

While I completely get where you're coming from with this, 9/11 was this generation's Pearl Harbor. In my opinion, body counts are irrelevant. Tragedy is tragedy no matter the scale. Of course you will hear more talk about 9/11. In the 1940's, I'm certain there was more discussion of Pearl Harbor than the sinking of the Lusitania. It does not make one event more tragic than the other. We simply have a tendency to relate more to the recent events.

I agree that it's most certainly a tragedy, with out a doubt. I can understand the psychological point of it as well.

Worst part of this is, in both WW2 and 9/11 the gov't had intelligence well in advance about the attacks and did nothing, though convincing people to evacuate the WTC for a few days is probably more difficult than it sounds.

For example with Pearl Harbor, the Japanese contacted the President and warned him about it. Personally, I think they were trying to find a reason to enter the pacific theater at the time and letting the bombing happen facilitated it, but hardly anyone is alive that remembers WW2 and was in politics at the time. Hell, there's not many people alive that were in WW2 anymore.

Is it time for a revolution yet?

[GENERAL BILLY]

Sigh, I knew it was a mistake to venture beyond the snus section. Just so someone has gone on the record let me say this "the government" did not know that the world trade center was going to be blown up nor did they know that pearl harbor was going to be attacked. Yes there was intelligence that there would be some kind of terrorist attack but it is a big country and while it may seem obvious in hindsight it wasn't at the time. And the theory that the Japanese told Roosevelt "hey we are going to bomb Pearl Harbor" is at least absurd enough to be funny. They suspected that the Japanese might attack some American interests in the pacific but the Phillipines seemed a lot more likely. We had such a low opinion (mistakenly obviously) that we didn't believe they had the capacity to attack Pearl Harbor. We went to the Goddamn moon and Buzz Aldrin will rightly smack you in the face if you would like to tell him otherwise. Now having said my peace I am leaving this thread and I am deactivating the notify me when a reply is posted so feel free to extrapolate on how that Mason's and muhammed ali joined forces to assasinate Lincoln by renting a time machine from Buckminster Fuller or any other crazy moonbat shit you want.

Also, eight years ago a large number of Americans were killed by a small group of muslim extremists.

[dupee419]

Sigh, I knew it was a mistake to venture beyond the snus section. Just so someone has gone on the record let me say this "the government" did not know that the world trade center was going to be blown up nor did they know that pearl harbor was going to be attacked. Yes there was intelligence that there would be some kind of terrorist attack but it is a big country and while it may seem obvious in hindsight it wasn't at the time. And the theory that the Japanese told Roosevelt "hey we are going to bomb Pearl Harbor" is at least absurd enough to be funny. They suspected that the Japanese might attack some American interests in the pacific but the Phillipines seemed a lot more likely. We had such a low opinion (mistakenly obviously) that we didn't believe they had the capacity to attack Pearl Harbor. We went to the Goddamn moon and Buzz Aldrin will rightly smack you in the face if you would like to tell him otherwise. Now having said my peace I am leaving this thread and I am deactivating the notify me when a reply is posted so feel free to extrapolate on how that Mason's and muhammed ali joined forces to assasinate Lincoln by renting a time machine from Buckminster Fuller or any other crazy moonbat shit you want.

Also, eight years ago a large number of Americans were killed by a small group of muslim extremists.

If you notice... I left the whole comment open ended as there's not really a way to prove either position. I'm not sure there were any conspiracy theories being discussed here, except maybe the 9/11 one. By the way, I read the pearl harbor thing in a history book published in the late '50's that I found in a college library while I was reading up on WW2. I thought it a bit odd myself, but with no one to ask about it (namely someone alive at the time, either high-ranking military or president) there was no way to prove or disprove the material in the book, therefore my use of it here.

Is there anyone here that can honestly say they were alive then and old enough to remember the war? If there is one and it can be confirmed, I will rescind my comment about pearl harbor... happily.

My point sir, is we make such a big deal over 1 event and nearly completely forget about others. Have you ever had the pleasure of sitting down with a WW2 vet and talking about the war? I did... once when I was 12, that man deserved a statue for what he did, but there were many more like him at the time and to erect statues for all of them would take up more space than we have free.

While 9/11 does deserve some kind of permanent place of remembrance, I believe we have other people we have denied long enough that deserve theirs long before 9/11 gets one.

Again I will state that we should remember them all equally. This may be a pipe dream, but I can hope dammit.

on that note.. I'm bowing out of this thread.

[spike]

PP might be that old.

[dupee419]

PP might be that old.

man, that poor bastard gets picked on more than anyone I know.

PP, how old are you? Is it like 20 during WW2 old?

[GENERAL BILLY]

Dupee, I certainly take and respect your point that the veterans of WWII deserve a monument, I agree.

In looking back at your post you certainly didn't step as far out on the limb as some. Including Charlie Sheen who is apparently been severly brain damaged by some combination of venereal disease and drug abuse trauma.

I think I focused on your statement so much because I have recently been reading a lot about WWII.

That said, I don't think I need to have lived through the 40s or have spoken with a president to have evaluated the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion. All of the people who have posted conspiracies about the WTC here lived through it and it didn't seem to help them to understand it.

There was a conspiracy on September 11th 2001. It was a conspiracy of less than a 100 people to put an even smaller group of men in position to turn our technology against us and damage our faith in our way of life by killing Americans and damaging our financial system (wtc) Military (Pentagon) and government (the plane that the passengers kept from hitting it's target). It was a conspiracy of radical Muslims and whatever conclusions we draw from how we have reacted to that day it would be helpful it we started from the reality of what happened.

I would recommend anyone with Comcast on demand watch the 9-11 conspiracy shows on National Geographic.