http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32811199...tics?GT1=43001
guys and gal's the time has come.. take a look at this!
guys and gal's the time has come.. take a look at this!
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It won't matter.
There is too much momentum towards insanity to stop it now.
In the future The United States of America will be a footnote in history books. "The once great nation that lasted less than 250 years."
The problem is not that our government is acting in ways not in everyone's best interest. It's not that they are involved in unpopular conflicts or pandering to other nations.
The problem is that most politicians BELEIVE that they know better than we do what we want and what is best for us.
I honestly and wholeheartedly don't think I can stomach any more taxes. I am sick every time I see what I net after seeing what I gross.
What incentive would possibly be left if we increase taxes to increase social programs? It will get to the point soon where working for a living would be stupid when compared to what can be had suckling from the teet of Big Brother.
I usually don't get into these threads. I actually rarely read them just seeing the titles. My disgust at the state of affairs has been steadily increasing over the past decade.
I can see why some people move out to remote corners of the world and lead simple lives in ignorant happiness. I sometimes don't even want to watch the news or read the newspaper. It's like witnessing a horrible accident that you can't really do anything to stop.Comment
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Did you see the difference between cost per person and cost per taxpayer? :shock:Originally posted by SnusophileComment
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Oh my gosh, a protest in DC! We've never seen THAT before!
Won't it be nice to know your health insurance doesn't have a lifetime maximum? That, no matter what happens to your job, you will have health insurance? Will it be nice when your premiums go down because there is finally a political will to cut costs?What incentive would possibly be left if we increase taxes to increase social programs? It will get to the point soon where working for a living would be stupid when compared to what can be had suckling from the teet of Big Brother.Comment
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I get sick too, but mostly because I don't see a return on the investment in the future.Originally posted by bakerbarber
I wonder pretty often how people in other places like Europe and Scandinavia, where taxes are much, much higher than in the U.S., manage to get by. The answer, as far as I can see, is that they don't necessarily like the high taxes, but they see enough things back from it that they're ok with it.
Like health care. Mostly every nation in Western Europe provides for it from tax revenues in one way or another. Your financial future is not potentally hosed if you get sick or injured.
Education, too. Not only are primary and secondary education handled, but in most of Western Europe, even higher education is subsidized by taxes, wholly or partially. If you have the brains to do university-level work, not being wealthy or willing to take on debt that you will be saddled with for life is not going to prevent you from going.
So by and large, governments in Europe take the tax revenues that their citizens pay, and they use them to alleviate some of the common, everyday problems that their citizens face.
That stands in contrast to the U.S., where for our taxes we get the world's biggest military, Social Security and Medicare that will probably go under long before I need either of them, and banks that acted like drunken sailors with depositors' and investors' money get bailed out.Comment
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And a crumbling infrastructure with falling bridges and roads that will rattle your fillings out.
Hey but, we have television to distract us. YAYComment
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VB the healthcare system is FUBAR.
I do not believe putting government in charge of it will do anything but make it worse. Our government. Others have made it work.
All healthcare providers from heart surgeons to nurses will be forced to unionize due to being reclassified as State employees. The fat cats in pin stripe suits will win big pay day.Comment
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Just give it up VBSnus. These folks don't care for truth. If they did, they would have been out protesting like bloody murder when the regimes that we actually increasing our debt were in power. But they weren't. Makes all they scream about now just noise.Comment
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Yeah If you weren't out protesting before you should be quiet now?
Bush took things to levels no one thought possible. Chaney probably was doing it and W. was just standing at the podium.
Regardless, what I'm curious about it is when did most of the human race become so utterly incompetent that they cannot fend for themselves any longer. Who decides where the cut off is between those who are dictating policy and those who have it imposed on them.
To me it's obvious. We have a two party system that is merely smoke and mirrors. Two sides of the same coin. Big money rolls in from big lobbyists, the machine sputters and crap comes out.
Our politicians are criminally insane. When that guy called the Commander in Chief a liar on the floor of the house it marked the day all civility and rationale had evaporated completely. Whether he disagreed or not disrespect like that should not be wielded at the office of the president in that setting. Embarrassing for our country.
It does show the first fractures in the foundation of a system that cannot survive under it's own bloated size.
Power is the problem. We've given too much to our employees. We've elected people and put them strictly in charge to serve us. It is and has been for a long time a mockery.Comment
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August 8, 1925, Ku Klux Klan march. 35,000 Ku Klux Klan members march to show support for the KKK. :roll:Originally posted by VBSnus
Thousands? Wow they're as successful as the KKK was in 1925
/snicker snicker
October 11, 1987 - Second National March on Washington for Lesbian and Gay Rights. The second such march on Washington drew 500,000 gay men and women to protest for equal civil rights and to demand government action in the fight against AIDS.
and comparing their numbers to a gay/lesbian rally their latest teabag rally seems like a dismal failure. :roll:Comment
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sorry guys got a little over excited..first time in my lifetime that the people are actually trying to stand up for themselves..but yeah universal healthcare is a bad idea. i will still have to pay for it now and yes it's expensive as it stands but government run facilitys go to shit fast. i do not wanna be on a waiting list because i have a broken arm or something minor of that nature.. it isnt right.. i wont be horded like some animal..not only that but i probally wont even get half my paycheck if this go's through...it's not like i make a fortune just trying to get by..Comment
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See, that's what kills me about this.Originally posted by sagedil
The U.S. Government last year gave over $1 Trillion in cash to banks that had screwed themselves and the rest of us over due to nothing but greed. Everyone one on 'Main Street' rolled their eyes, shook their heads, and said, "yeah, figures, they would do that, where's my bailout anyhow'. And went back to the grind the next morning.
But as soon as a plan that will help make health insurance more available, more affordable, and more effective is proposed(and for like 800 billion or so, over 10 years as opposed to $1 Trillion right now today), it's off to Washington, crying 'Marxism' the whole way.
Sometimes I think that Americans have actually learned to love being bent over.Comment
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i'm going to agree here and although it go's past my best judgement i am young..and yes healthcare needs to be affordable.. but.. not obama's way.. we need someone to reform healthcare that actually has an agenda to help ppl not screw us over.. I know that people from other countries call use lazy,fat, stupid people but you know what.. so is the rest of the world..stupid people come in all shapes and sizes and that bullshit to target us..why do you think the whole world comes to the usa for everything? it isnt cause we're stupid (although there is a lot).
end of rant..sorry.Comment
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