House approved formal resolution to admonish Rep Joe Wilson?

[tom502]

Jimmy Carter is a joke, but his sayings, and the article by Maureen Daud, will only ensure we won't have another "black" president. Because it's all about race now. If the president said now we should sell missles to Iran, and if anyone said, whoa, that's not a good idea, the person would simply be called a racist.

[VBSnus]

Jimmy Carter is a joke, but his sayings, and the article by Maureen Daud, will only ensure we won't have another "black" president. Because it's all about race now. If the president said now we should sell missles to Iran, and if anyone said, whoa, that's not a good idea, the person would simply be called a racist.

Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh are feeding on that as well. The two black kids who beat up a white kid on the bus being cast as 'racially motivated' was ridiculous. Am I the only one who remembers stupid fights happening in school?

It's all out of hand. Obama needs to do another speech about race and make it clear that honest debate and people's objections to policy should not be subject to a race debate. Otherwise, he will ultimately wind up with the blame.

[sgreger1]

sgreger, you're still not addressing the fact that he broke the rules of his job. Arguing in his favor goes directly against your other posts describing how people need to get a job and do their job right, work for what they want, etc.

How is him saying "you lie" a bad work ethic? He showed up and is doing his job. He broke the rules, you are correct, but others have broke them before and they are making too big a deal out of this. The president lied, he needed to be called on it. In no way does his outburst show a lack of work ethic, it's not like he's begging for change and on welfare.

The rules were known. He broke them directly. He could have called the President a nitwit, or booed, or a hundred other things, but he specifically went against the rules of his office, rules which were put into place BY A REPUBLICAN.

Calling the president a nitwit is more of an insult than saying you are lying. I am glad he chose the more civil of the two choices, his decision was one of morals, not of official policy. Yes he did break the rules, which are retarded in every sense of the word, but are the rules none the less.

On the one hand Republicans bitch about the lack of work ethic in all these people wanting a handout, while on the other hand they're defending a guy who is getting punished by his workplace for breaking the rules of that workplace. Pure hypocrisy.

He is not asking for a handout, and his statements did nothing to reflect on work ethic. He is the first elected representative I have seen "work" for me in my life time so far. Once again, work ethic has NOTHING to do with his outburst.

Jimmy Carter is not just "some Dem". Thankfully no one takes him seriously.

lol, we can both agree on that.

Now they want to tax the middle classes employer provded healthcare, 35%

You forgot the moral of this story. The only reason they're even talking about this is because Obama put forth requirements for the new health plan which they don't know if they can meet. That should be a point for Obama, who is holding Congress to a set of boundaries instead of giving them carte blanche to add to the deficit and make a bloated structure. He challenged them and they're panicking. This is definitely a stain on the close minded thinking of Congress.

He has set pie in the sky standards, and told the american people "this is what the bill should/will be" and dems are saying "I don't know how we could possibly do this without it raising the deficit or costing a lot of money", they are just keeping it real, he is asking the imposible just so he looks good on the stage.

Also, the Baucus bill is the "blue dog" bill which is complete horseshit anyways.

Yah it is by far the bill most deserving the title of "horseshit".

[VBSnus]

Breaking the rules of your place of employment and expecting not to be punished show poor work ethic.

1) He knew the rules
2) He knew what was in the speech
3) He resolved to break the rules specifically barring that word during the nationally televised speech

In the corporate world he would have been written up or fired.

Others have broken the rules, and the Republicans tried to bring resolutions against Democrats during the Bush era. They just didn't have the votes. I remember fuming about it myself back then, as I was a Republican at the time.

[sgreger1]

Jimmy Carter is a joke, but his sayings, and the article by Maureen Daud, will only ensure we won't have another "black" president. Because it's all about race now. If the president said now we should sell missles to Iran, and if anyone said, whoa, that's not a good idea, the person would simply be called a racist.

Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh are feeding on that as well. The two black kids who beat up a white kid on the bus being cast as 'racially motivated' was ridiculous. Am I the only one who remembers stupid fights happening in school?

It's all out of hand. Obama needs to do another speech about race and make it clear that honest debate and people's objections to policy should not be subject to a race debate. Otherwise, he will ultimately wind up with the blame.

Well in my high school racial tension was high and there were many fights, most of which were racially motivated. One time this mexican gang went to this house where a lot of my friends always chilled out in front of and jumped out of a suburban with golf clubs and beat up everyone including their parents.

But that had to do more with the neighbrohood than anything. Kids at school fight, nothing you can do to stop it.


Obama should have a speach addressing race, he could have a MLK moment for the history books and he could come out and say it "look, we have ablack president, this is a big step, but i dont want my presidency to be remembered just because i'm black, i want it to be historic because of what we did to change things for the better under my watch"

[justintempler]

Joe Wilsom was out of line.

But I also agree with

"Republicans dismissed the vote as a political "witch hunt" and a waste of precious time and taxpayers' money. "

Congress has more important things to do. This has turned into a sideshow that is just as bad as the thing that started it.

[sgreger1]

Breaking the rules of your place of employment and expecting not to be punished show poor work ethic.

1) He knew the rules
2) He knew what was in the speech
3) He resolved to break the rules specifically barring that word during the nationally televised speech

In the corporate world he would have been written up or fired.

Others have broken the rules, and the Republicans tried to bring resolutions against Democrats during the Bush era. They just didn't have the votes. I remember fuming about it myself back then, as I was a Republican at the time.

Yes, if this was a corporation that would be correct. Luckily this is not a corporation, it is politics. He broke the rules, he apologized personally to the president and the president accepted and said hes over it.

If at a company meeting I said my supervisor was lying and then later apologized and he accepted, the other employees would not get together to try and fire me. The supervisor said it's over, so it's over.


Nothing to do with work ethic, he feels he is there to represent his consittuents, he did just that, albeit in the wrong place and time, he is dumb at worst, this has gottent too out of hand.

[sgreger1]

Joe Wilsom was out of line.

But I also agree with

"Republicans dismissed the vote as a political "witch hunt" and a waste of precious time and taxpayers' money. "

Congress has more important things to do. This has turned into a sideshow that is just as bad as the thing that started it.

Asbolutely. He did it as a political stunt, now the dems are doing this as a political stump, meanwhile no one is taking time to run the country. Healthcare is obviousely a big issue in the USA, we need to get it moving and quit running off on a tangent every 10 minutes.

[VBSnus]

Yes, if this was a corporation that would be correct. Luckily this is not a corporation, it is politics. He broke the rules, he apologized personally to the president and the president accepted and said hes over it.

And it's being treated like politics. He's not being fired or forced out, his position is still in the hands of the voters. But that shouldn't stop his place of work from carrying out their official rules to respond to his offense.

Look, let's be clear (LOL you know you love it). I agree that what he did was stupid. I think after Congress does this Obama should invite him over for a beer to discuss immigration. Whatever the case may be, he did break the rules and this is fully within the rights of Congress. Some Republicans even voted for it.

The reason that it's an issue is because it represents an important issue facing the country right now: reasonable debate is dead. Actually working on the floor towards a vote, using the press for FACTS and not OPINIONS, holding reasonable discussions with your constituents instead of flamewars...it's all gone. Replacing it are stupid accusations, fights over blowjobs in the oval office, mockeries of presidential power, wars that we shouldn't be in, injection of government into our lives, injection of trends and fads into government, smears, lies, deceit. It's ridiculous. Through all of this, we expect and hope that Congress will represent the best of us, not the least polished and most loudmouthed of us. And they are failing us.

If you left all your opinions at the door, all your party perceptions, and you witnessed that event, you would say that the speaker came out looking polished, Joe Wilson came out looking rude, and Nacy Pelosi came out looking like she blinks too much.

To put it simply, if you didn't know better, you'd think Obama was Taylor Swift and Joe Wilson was Kanye.

[sgreger1]

Yes, if this was a corporation that would be correct. Luckily this is not a corporation, it is politics. He broke the rules, he apologized personally to the president and the president accepted and said hes over it.

And it's being treated like politics. He's not being fired or forced out, his position is still in the hands of the voters. But that shouldn't stop his place of work from carrying out their official rules to respond to his offense.

Look, let's be clear (LOL you know you love it). I agree that what he did was stupid. I think after Congress does this Obama should invite him over for a beer to discuss immigration. Whatever the case may be, he did break the rules and this is fully within the rights of Congress. Some Republicans even voted for it.

The reason that it's an issue is because it represents an important issue facing the country right now: reasonable debate is dead. Actually working on the floor towards a vote, using the press for FACTS and not OPINIONS, holding reasonable discussions with your constituents instead of flamewars...it's all gone. Replacing it are stupid accusations, fights over blowjobs in the oval office, mockeries of presidential power, wars that we shouldn't be in, injection of government into our lives, injection of trends and fads into government, smears, lies, deceit. It's ridiculous. Through all of this, we expect and hope that Congress will represent the best of us, not the least polished and most loudmouthed of us. And they are failing us.

If you left all your opinions at the door, all your party perceptions, and you witnessed that event, you would say that the speaker came out looking polished, Joe Wilson came out looking rude, and Nacy Pelosi came out looking like she blinks too much.

To put it simply, if you didn't know better, you'd think Obama was Taylor Swift and Joe Wilson was Kanye.

lol, sounds like politics as usual to me :lol:

Im not saying they are out of their limits for repromanding him, im just saying that this whole thing has gone too far. Debate is dead because when democrats have the majority they will not allow debate or any other form of bipartisanship, when the republicans hold a majority it is the same, they just shut down democrats.

It is an inherint flaw with our republic but we have to make the best of it.

And although the kanye/joe wilson analogy is hilarious, I think we can agree that this is a big issue in this country and everyone is scrambling to know what the truth really is. it doesnt help that there ar elike 5 bills that are constantly being changed, and a president saying that his plan is different from the current bills.


Who is right, who is wrong? Democrats say the bill says "No illegals can use this", republicans point out that although that is a good start, without any enforcement mechanism it will just be more of the same, and if you really want to cut costs, the illegals gotta go.


Its like saying "All income will be taxed", but not including anything enforcing it, as though the tax will just collect itself. It's wishfull thinking, but tt would never work.


Both sides are right, the dems did say no illegals, the republicans pointed out a massive gaping black hole of a loophole, both are correct. In a civil society we would work together to fix it. That is not the way things are though, so each side will try to make a liar of the other side, ttension will raise, one side will try to scream over the other and there will be outbursts like Joe Wilson's. This is all just testament to the fact that I think we are headed towards another civil war in this country.

[VBSnus]

Solution: screw the guy with the sign at a rally but no real input, screw the politician who just wants votes, screw the lobbyist who wants to rally interest, and screw the companies who just want profit.

And bring back braintrusts.

A team of CPAs, social workers, and lawyers to rewrite tax code.

A team of doctors to list out everything they need to provide quality care. Leave the drug companies and insurance companies out of this talk, they will have to work around what the DOCTORS outline.

A team of engineers and scientists to hash out the best global policy for energy use.

Above each of these individual and non-partisan groups, a bi-partisan regulation board which ensures the final results from each braintrust does not include language or policy which would satisfy only the agenda of the braintrust members. Any funds or gifts accepted by these regulation boards would be punishable by law.

Anyone from companies to common folk will be allowed to speak before the braintrust or before the regulating committee in order to state their case. Their case will be posted publicly for the world to see, as will the final results and the regulating board counter-points against these results so the common people can also keep an eye on things.

While of course everyone has a right to privacy, anything that makes it onto a final bill will require previous recorded proof of discussion by the braintrust and regulating body, with further disclosure of all input from outside the two organizations.

That's a snippet of my manifesto, I think. :-P

[sgreger1]

Intiresting idea VB Snus.

Of course you know politics would still play into this, with people claiming the braintrust is slanted more left or right depending on what issue they are voting on.

I like the idea of having smart people who are knowledgeable in one field taking on each isse, someone shielded from modern day politics. It is politics that stops progress in the world.


How to actually make this happen become grey however when we have to decide who is the most qualified scientists, dr's to decide on certain things.


Like global warming, will it be only pro-global waming scientists or will they allow scientists who say global warming is not an impending catastrophe or man made?

Who will make these tough decisions?

I think politics and choosing sides is just an inherent part of human nature, much to my dismay.