House approved formal resolution to admonish Rep Joe Wilson?

[sgreger1]

Rep. Wilson first congressman in history to be formally rebuked for behavior toward president in chamber... Developing...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090915/..._care_heckling


WASHINGTON – The House has voted to admonish Rep. Joe Wilson over his "You lie" outburst to President Barack Obama during the president's health care speech to Congress last week.
The 240-179 vote on the resolution of disapproval reflected the sharp partisan divide over the issue. Democrats insisted that the South Carolina Republican take responsibility for what they said was a serious breach of decorum. Republicans characterized the vote as a political stunt.
Wilson himself would not back down on his position that he owed the House no apology. Surrounded by Republican supporters, Wilson said Obama had "graciously accepted my apology and the issue is over."

Are these people out of their freaking minds? Have I been transported to some alternate reality where black is white and stupid is smart? Where were these people for the last 8 years while everyone was saying anything and everything they could to bash Bush. Does no one remember when that guy threw his shoe and hit President Bush?? The left loved it!!! Have I woken up in a deranged novel where big brother has come through and destroyed all knowledge or remembrance of the entire last 8 years? What’s next, I can see it now… headline reads: “Congress passes resolution making 2+2 officially equal 5”.

Am I the last man on earth to remember that there were no rules on what kind of things you could say about/to the president for the last 8 years? The 9-12 rally in DC against healthcare brought, according to police officials, 1-2 million people. Possibly the single largest protest of all time. And yet the left now is saying that it is unpatriotic to do this and disrespectful to the commander in chief! Does no one remember code pink or move-on.org protests???

[sundog]

I can remember Democrats booing Bush when he was speaking to Congress. Their turn will come. Watch what happens next year.

[sgreger1]

No no, I am absolutely stark raving mad and confused about what is going on in the world today.

The news acts 1 way for years, the left has one persona for years and now all of a sudden Dems gain power for once and they do a 180 on me, what they did for years is now the new "bad". All of a suddent the same dems that approved the war on terror and knew about waterboarding are saying they were lied to etc.

Its almost as bad as republicans who let Bush spend us into a hole for nearly a decade and then only come out to protest by the millions when a dem is in charge. Both sides are absolute hypcrites in every sense of the term.


At least when Bush spent money or signed off on things I saw the money in my hand, because right now i ain't seeing shit except more of the same.

[VBSnus]

The US Congress is NOT the House of Commons, nor is it a town hall meeting. There is a big difference between booing the President's points and jumping up to shout an unsubstantiated claim at him. I think that we should all expect a modicum of decorum from our elected representatives, and hope that they do not act like a bunch of ignoramuses when the President of the United States of America is talking.

The fact of the matter is that he broke House rules, which dictate that a representative may not call the President a liar, hypocrite, or intellectually dishonest. HE KNEW THESE RULES. Just like you have rules at your job, they have rules and will be punished if broken.

Additionally, everyone in that room had a copy of President Obama's speech before the event. If he didn't read it and still have a "fired up" moment, that's his own damn fault.

Personally, I give the man credit for calling to apologize, and hope that people remember that he did so come voting time. But breaking the rules of your employer still comes with consequences, apology or no.

The House rulebook is clear when it comes to remarks about the president.

“Personal abuse, innuendo or ridicule of the president is not permitted,” the rulebook says, and specifically bars calling the president or a presidential nominee a “liar” or accusing him of “lying.”

The Republican House Committee on Rules says House precedent allows “a wide latitude in criticism of the president,” but that “it is not permissible to use language that is personally offensive to the president, such as referring to him as a ‘hypocrite’ or a ‘liar.’”

[spirit72]

I can remember Democrats booing Bush when he was speaking to Congress. Their turn will come. Watch what happens next year.

Yeah, bad form on both counts. But there's a difference between showing disagreement by 'booing', and accusing the head of state of lying while he has the floor at the U.S. Congress and is being televised worldwide.

Either way, he made more of a jackass of himself in front of the world for all time than any official censure would do to him. He'll never live to see the end of it.

[chadizzy1]

I can remember Democrats booing Bush when he was speaking to Congress. Their turn will come. Watch what happens next year.

yes sir.

[sundog]

Old Joe is laughing all the way to the bank. His campaign contributions have soared and he's probably going to win re-election.

I think he won a moral victory over the small-minded people in the House.

[VBSnus]

What hypocrisy. On the one hand conservatives talk about lazy people who don't do their jobs, complacent people who don't value a day's work, etc etc etc. Then when a man publicly, in front of the entire nation, breaks the rules of his employment and is called on it, and you get angry simply because you happen to agree with him.

In the corporate world, if he had called the head of another department a liar during a company-wide meeting, he could have been fired and lost his health insurance.

He broke the rules. He apologized. He deserves to be punished according to the rules of his place of employment. And then the people will decide whether they like him enough to vote for him.

[spirit72]

In the corporate world, if he had called the head of another department a liar during a company-wide meeting, he could have been fired and lost his health insurance.

Imagine what might have happened if a British MP had called Queen Elizabeth II(who is still the constitutional head of state in the UK, even if a figurehead)a liar in her presence on the floor of Parliament....

[sgreger1]

Old Joe is laughing all the way to the bank. His campaign contributions have soared and he's probably going to win re-election.

I think he won a moral victory over the small-minded people in the House.

He won more than that. He raised awareness and now the democrats have admitted that he was corrrect and have made claims that they will write an enforcement mechanism into the bill. So all and all this is a huge victory for Americans who wanted to cut reform costs and a personal gain for Joe Wilson since he now has millions of supporters and a HUGE injection of money into his campaign fund.

[sgreger1]

In the corporate world, if he had called the head of another department a liar during a company-wide meeting, he could have been fired and lost his health insurance.

Imagine what might have happened if a British MP had called Queen Elizabeth II(who is still the constitutional head of state in the UK, even if a figurehead)a liar in her presence on the floor of Parliament....

In most of europe, outbreaks like this are common, it is a more open forum where an elected representative is expected to voice the opinion of his constituents instead of sit around through every dog and pony show allowing the president to say your lying when in fact he is incorrect.

Then for the dems to admit that what Joe Wilson said was true seems hypocritical because they are now voting to punish him.



The problem with politicians is they dont win votes by doing the right thing, they get votes by pointing out what WRONG things the opposition is doing. It happens on both sides.



My point of the thread is that the democrats have never shown any civility or restraint in how they addressed the president. They call him a liar saying he started an illegal war (that they authorized to fund) and we have a house speaker claiming the CIA lied to her repeatedly etc.

Dems saying that something is a lie and then it turning out to be true is a common practice. Same thing with republicans. But this time, Joe Wilson was correct.

[sgreger1]

And of course, the cherry on top:


Ex President Jimmy Carter says Joe Wilson's outburst was because he is racist and only thinks he's lying because Obama is Black.

I know it was only a matter of time before some dem pulled out the race card, somehow taking 2 words (you lie) and claiming that it was obviousely due to nothing other than hate for black people.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090916/D9AO5MA00.html

[sgreger1]

Now they want to tax the middle classes employer provded healthcare, 35%


Dem Senator Warns of 'Big, Big Tax' on Middle Class in Baucus Bill

The West Virginia Democrat worries, however, that a lot of middle class workers, like the coal miners in his state, will end up facing "a big, big tax" under the Baucus bill because they currently enjoy generous employer-provided health care benefits which they receive tax free.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/200...ucus-bill.html

[mlkramer]

Hell I just hope they keep arguing over stuff like this until the PACT bill gets pigeon holed.

[VBSnus]

sgreger, you're still not addressing the fact that he broke the rules of his job. Arguing in his favor goes directly against your other posts describing how people need to get a job and do their job right, work for what they want, etc.

The rules were known. He broke them directly. He could have called the President a nitwit, or booed, or a hundred other things, but he specifically went against the rules of his office, rules which were put into place BY A REPUBLICAN.

On the one hand Republicans bitch about the lack of work ethic in all these people wanting a handout, while on the other hand they're defending a guy who is getting punished by his workplace for breaking the rules of that workplace. Pure hypocrisy.

I know it was only a matter of time before some dem pulled out the race card, somehow taking 2 words (you lie) and claiming that it was obviousely due to nothing other than hate for black people.

Jimmy Carter is not just "some Dem". Thankfully no one takes him seriously.

Now they want to tax the middle classes employer provded healthcare, 35%

You forgot the moral of this story. The only reason they're even talking about this is because Obama put forth requirements for the new health plan which they don't know if they can meet. That should be a point for Obama, who is holding Congress to a set of boundaries instead of giving them carte blanche to add to the deficit and make a bloated structure. He challenged them and they're panicking. This is definitely a stain on the close minded thinking of Congress.

Also, the Baucus bill is the "blue dog" bill which is complete horseshit anyways.