Need some thoughts and prayers tonight...

[ctimb2002]

Hi Guys,
Well first let me tell you this is a downer. Sorry to bring the mood down but I wanted to warn those looking for a peppy topic this aint gonna be one of em. I guess im writing this just to get it off my chest and send it out to the wide world to hopefully remove some stress off my shoulders. So here we go...

I got a phone call yesterday from the Woman(ex-wife/GF/Women I sleep with) that she just got the reults of her pap back. It came back positive for aggresive HPV and abnormal cells. So what does this mean...aparently a high likelihood of Cervix Cancer. So I spent most of last night and today in a nice numb state trying to soak in what the next couple of months were going to be like. Hospital visits? Biopsy's? Chemo/Radiation Therapy? Who the hell knows. We wont know a heck of a lot more till she gets in for her first biopsy and we get those results back. The only selfish feeling I can't help but thinking is the fact that I will probably never have children. This women in my life and I have gone through a lot together and even tho we have seperated many times over the past 8 years I know we will be together for the rest of out lives. It drives me nuts that I am being selfish but it hurts and I hurt for her.

So anyways for those still reading I thank you for hearing me out and I only ask that if you have a spare moment can send some good vibes my way down here in Fl. For those religious snusers out there I could use a prayer. Everybody else just have a beer for me. Regardless its going to be a rough couple of months. As they say...This too shall pass...I hope

Peace and Love

[VBSnus]

Let me start by saying that I know what you're going through is awful...and I hope beyond anything else that everything turns out well.

But I will say (from semi-personal experience) that a pap test is not a reliable indicator of abnormalities or cervical cancer. Usually they are good for finding biopsy locations for further testing, and as a pre-test not for cancer but cervical dysplasia.

Two years ago my wife went into the OBGYN for a pap. They said she had aggressive HPV with a high chance of cervical cancer, level 4 needing a colopscopy and possibly LEEP or Cone. We fretted and worried for weeks. She went back in and they said nothing was found in the biopsy, and that they were wrong...no HPV at all. Then they told us that the pap isn't always a good indicator and said to come back in 6 months.

I'm not saying it's nothing, but don't get too down until you find out what the biopsy has to tell you. HPV is very common unfortunately, and it can cause abnormalities. But these abnormalities do not always mean cancer.

Additionally, even if the cells had begun to develop toward cancer, there are other treatments which may be possible to keep cancer at bay. It takes a long time for abnormal cells to develop into cervical cancer, and unless she hasn't been checked in multiple years (usually more than two) there's not much chance it could have developed too far.

Here's one thing you definitely need to hear: Paps come back positive for abnormal cells ALL THE TIME. http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/pap...normalpaps.htm

Whatever the case may be, I hope everything comes out ok and I'm definitely praying for you and popping a snus for you as well (I don't drink).

[sagedil]

First, of course I will keep you both in my prayers.

2nd, try not to stress until you know exactly what you are dealing with. There is plenty of time for that should it come to that. In the mean time, just be as supportive as possible, hold her, stroke her hair, let her know you both will be there together through this.

But seriously, until you know for sure, try and stay as calm as you can. Just went through this with a dear friend. His lung x-ray looked bad, his doctor was scared, he had already lost a brother to lung cancer. But I walked him down from his fright about it all, and he just had the cat scan Monday, and everything was fine after all.

But gonna pray for you both tonight, and keep praying. Thank you for sharing it with us ctimb2002. We are family and will support you any way we can.

[lxskllr]

My thoughts are with you man, I'm hoping for the best.

Don't sweat the selfish feelings. That's part of being human, and is what we're about. We're wired to primarily look after our own interests, and I don't think it's reasonable to completely suppress those natural urges. Take care of your woman, and don't get hung up on the basal psychology :^)

[sgreger1]

Yah this HPV thing is getting fairly common from what I gather. Something like almost all women have it by the time they are 50 or something.

Terrible thing considering it causes cervical cancer. I really hope they cure this thing or find a way to detect it earlier at least so they can begin treating it.


Your both in my prayers tonight man, and everyone else who has something ailing them, as there are so,so many in the world that do.

It amazes me that in this day and age we still have so many medical problems, you figure some of these things that have been around for a while would have been cured by now and fallen by the wayside as something we only learn about in school.

[ctimb2002]

thanks everybody for your thoughts...I must say that I had perhaps the most real moment in my adult life last night. I came home from work and she was just lying on the couch...I went over held her hand and told her every line i could think of about how we will beat this whatever it is keeping her calm and in general just trying to get her to smile...just once...then she started balling and the only thing she said was "im scared" I then told her the only things I could...its going to be ok. Which as sure as I am that it will all be ok it still felt like a lie. At least until we know more. It still gives me shivers because I never thought at the age of 25 I would have to deal with something like this. Really made me appreaciate things a bit more.

[blotgode]

thoughts to both of you, take care of each other and i´ll really hope everything just works out fine. You´ll have a beer from me...

[sgreger1]

That is a hard pill to swallow at the tender age of 25. Someone of that age should not have to worry or even think about death.

[Veganpunk]

Man that really sucks. I hope it's nothing. I will have a beer for you. We will be thinking of you.

[Vegan's Wife]

One of our good friends, who is only a year or two different in age- making her between the ages of 25-29- had a scare. They had to do a biopsy, but came back with an all clear. It was AWFUL. She and her husband have a daughter only 3 months older than ours, and intend to have more- they definately went through the whole shock and mourning for what was lost deal- but hope won. Never lose hope. You guys will be in my thoughts.

[Ainkor]

You got it man. Hope everything works out.

[Premium Parrots]

Man that sucks............HOWEVER, the other posters are correct. First the tests CAN be wrong. Second, she is young so if it is HPV there is medication to control it before it turns to cervical cancer. Third, its something that is out there and it is a virus and alot of women are carriers. It can show itself during times of stress, otherwise you would never know. And its an immune system thing. Strenghten the immune system and it won't show up. If its already showed its ugly head then try homeopathic remedies. Go to the health food or vitamin store and ask them what to use. You can fight it early on. Don't dispare, being diagnosed with HPV doesn't automatically mean she will get cervical cancer.

I will say some prayers for you both. Its most devistating when you first find out but there is alot you can do to control it. Remember, you don't know for sure yet anyway. All WILL be well.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

Good vibes and prayers sent. Beer in progress. Hoping for the best for you!

[hummer]

ctimb2002. .

My prayers are for you and your situation to a God that
heals today as in the past. Further, I will drink that beer
also since I don't believe the two are incompatible (Jesus
was called a wine drinker).

Just a point for your consideration:
Goggle Rick Simpson's "Run from the Cure" and
watch it. Think long and hard about Chemo Therapy.

And stay positive. All will work out for the best.

Hummer

[chadizzy1]

I have added you and her to my prayer list, also to the list of my church.

Some of the more encouraging words I had when I was sick:

2 Cor 4:16-18 says, "Therefore we do not give up, but even if the man we are outside is wasting away, certainly the man we are inside is being renewed from day to day. For though the tribulation is momentary and light, it works out for us a glory that is of more and more surpassing weight and is everlasting; while we keep our eyes, not on the things seen, but on the things unseen. For the things seen are temporary, but the things unseen are everlasting."