Odd questions.

[chadizzy1]

1. This is kinda on subject, kinda off - but someone at work was asking me this the other day and I didn't have an answer, and I'm curious what you guys think. My drug days are way over, but it was a damn good question.

"If you get high in Amsterdam where weed is legal and come back to the states and fail a drugtest, can you get in trouble/lose a job/etc (anywhere drug use is forbidden) if you did it somewhere it was legal and it was in your system when you came somewhere it was illegal?"

I honestly didn't have an answer, I didn't know what to make of it.

2. Another interesting question this same guy asked me, "If a batter hits a ball (in baseball) to the outfield, and it hits the players shoe and then goes into his glove (without hitting the ground) is it an out?"

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Odd questions. Thought I'd share.

[lxskllr]

I only have #1, but yes you can get in trouble. It isn't illegal to have drugs in your system, but it may be against company policy. Companies are free do as they please, and if you go against policy, you risk getting canned.

[HK11]

I'm pretty sure it doesnt matter where you get high if you fail the random.

Fortunatly, I wrote the software that does the random selection for our company.

[sagedil]

Although companies are starting to adjust, you can have a prescription for it in California and still get canned. Again, companies policies still trump, even though I think courts were wrong to allow it.

But 90% of the companies that do random testing (and that is what we are talking about here) are doing it under federal guidelines and rules. The Feds still make no exceptions.

Andrew Sullivan, the blogger, was ticketed for pot possession a few weeks ago. Personal amounts of pot are legal in Massachusetts now, but he was on a federally owned beach. Since it was Fed property, still illegal, even if otherwise legal in the state

[chadizzy1]

That's what I was leaning towards. If you do it, no matter where you are when you're tested, if it's in your system it's illegal, no matter if you did it in a legal state.

[sagedil]

Wrong terminology Chad. It's not illegal. You could never be "arrested" just because they found pot residue in your system (unless you are driving and they find it in your blood sample). It is not illegal here to be high per se, just to possess.

And it is completely "legal" for Americans to smoke dope in Amsterdam, or any other country it might be legal in

But drug testing for companies isn't about "illegal", just company policy, whole other beast

[stubby2]

Re: Odd questions.

2. Another interesting question this same guy asked me, "If a batter hits a ball (in baseball) to the outfield, and it hits the players shoe and then goes into his glove (without hitting the ground) is it an out?"

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Odd questions. Thought I'd share.

From wikipedia

If a pitch is batted foul or fair and a member of the defensive team is able to catch it, before the ball strikes the ground, the batter is declared out.

I would have to assume it would be an out.

[Allergy]

Re: Odd questions.

2. Another interesting question this same guy asked me, "If a batter hits a ball (in baseball) to the outfield, and it hits the players shoe and then goes into his glove (without hitting the ground) is it an out?"

Ball never touches ground. Batter out.

Though I would assume replay would be needed, unless an umpire was right next to the player catching.

[justintempler]

#1 has nothing to do with legality of smoking pot. It depends on what the company policy is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

At-will employment is a doctrine of American law that defines an employment relationship in which either party can break the relationship with no liability, provided there was no express contract for a definite term governing the employment relationship and that the employer does not belong to a collective bargain (i.e., has not recognized a union). Under this legal doctrine:

“ any hiring is presumed to be "at will"; that is, the employer is free to discharge individuals "for good cause, or bad cause, or no cause at all," and the employee is equally free to quit, strike, or otherwise cease work.[1] ”

Several exceptions to the doctrine exist, especially if unlawful discrimination is involved regarding the termination of an employee.

As a means of downsizing, such as closing an unprofitable factory, a company may terminate employees en masse. However, there are legal limitations upon the employer's ability to terminate without reason.[2]

As an example, instead of drugs pretend it's a dress code. Wearing blue jeans can get you fired if the policy is dress slacks only. Company policy is considered a contract if you break the contract they have grounds to terminate you.

[bakerbarber]

1. You can be fired. I know a guy it happened to. That trip he took to Jamaica isn't his best memory.

2. OUT... Ball doesn't touch ground first.

..and being high is illegal technically since you can get a DWI or public intox.

Yeah you can buy a fifth of Wild Turkey in a state run store, but you can't have a plant.. :roll:

[Owens187]

I dont know where you guys get that it is not illegal to have it in your system.

At least here in the Kommunist Republik of Killifornia(California, USA for my out of country brothers), you can at the officers discretion be arrested for INTERNAL POSSESSION. Be it driving or not, they can give you this misdemeanor charge if you are tested, or if the officer sees you try to "eat the evidence".

[sagedil]

Perhaps, if they find it in the bloodstream

But never for a piss test that only shows PAST use.