Moon bombing

[sgreger1]

I still think these theories give us way too much credit. Again, we're a backwater planet in a backwater area of a backwater galaxy. We have barely figured out how to move past our own atmosphere, and for all intents and purposes we're like cavemen fiddling with a wheel to any race which has figured out how to cross interstellar distances with any speed.

We're also assuming the concepts of "us" and "them". That there's ET somewhere out there, and we wonder if they've taken notice of us. Perhaps we're not even on the radar?

With these two concepts together, think about it: how many ant colonies are there in the world? How many of them have we visited? And even if we knew where they all were, would we really visit them all?

Let's apply real life concepts to it. Let's say we developed an extraordinary new form of space travel which allowed us to get to a neighboring star four light years away in the space of a month. Well obviously we'd need to have discovered a way to move faster than the speed of light. How much do you suppose that such an endeavor would cost? Forget the research to get there, just the single trip alone? It would probably be enough that civilization could only do it a few times every hundred years. Now consider...would we use this rare trip to visit planets teeming with life similar to our own, planets we perhaps have a communication with? Or would you use it to visit backwater planets full of people who can't even get past their own moon?

Or perhaps all alien races are hive mind commies and don't worry about costs?

These are all excelent points.

We think of intelligent life and assume it stops there. Perhaps there is another more advanced for of being that makes us just animals in their eyes like you pointed out.

Judging by the propulsion technology these alleged UFO's seemto have, it seems as though they can move about pretty quickly, however they never seen to stay around for long which brings up the question of what do they use for fuel.

I think you are right, perhaps humans are just not of any real interest. I would be intirested in their culture and history, but sending one ET to the local library would fix that problem. No need for further contact lol

[sgreger1]

Oh, none taken. I think about these things like I do because I want there to be active alien moon bases. I don't know if there are, and probably are not. But I do think there have been past ancient beings and relics on the moon, and mars.

I share your belief in that surely there are artifacts somewhere, but I don't agree that there are any in our solar system. I was once a believer in the Mars theory you proposed but further research has led me to believe that that probably didn't happen. There may have been life on it, but if it travelled here I doubt they would have only sent women, children, and cavemen first lol.



I want to turn you onto an article that I found pretty intiresting and you may have already heard of it. But check this out

IAPETUS


Saturn's moon Iapetus has a very weird giant wall that runs along it's equator which seems odd that it would be natural. And it is not a sphere, but instead seems to have a more polcygon shape.

Its a very long article but was very intiresting imo. Also, I read the link you had about the moon thing and went further into the page to read their other articles. I have to admit, it is very compelling.

If there was a moon base, it would make sense because is possibly a refueling center. UFO's seem to be observed on earth, but always leave quickly, and sometimes crash. Seems like they don't have a lot of miles per gallon on whatever fuel they use. At the same time, I think if there was a moon base on the dark side of the moon, someone would have noticed it with the multiple missions we've had to the moon (multiple countries have done this as well).

It would, at the least, be a conspiracy of the most epic proportions. And would involve all nations with a space program to have come together and actively work with oe another to keep it a secret. Not something we are very good at.

[tom502]

That's an interesting article. I have also read some say our Moon may be artificial.

Saturn is really neat. My buddy has a telescope and it really does look like that.

[sgreger1]

That's an interesting article. I have also read some say our Moon may be artificial.

Saturn is really neat. My buddy has a telescope and it really does look like that.

It just seems odd that it has this giant structure around the middle and the surface seems to be made up of weird stuff,

I don't think there is any way our moon could be artificial. It was critical to the earth developement and arguibly all life on our planet.

If someone was out here building planets i'm sure they would be making a much larger footprint than they are. That is unless you subscribe to the belief thatthey were here thousands of years ago

[tom502]

Oh, these things would have happened millions or more, years ago, Earth time. Time is interesting, it's all relative.

[Mullolley]

I saw a really interesting show on the Discovery channel (or one of those similar channels) on aliens influencing early civilizations. The things they were pointing out were pretty compelling. Like some mayan and egyptian artwork depicting spacecraft and aliens and technology that didn't exist then. Not to mention how quickly and perfectly we built the pyramids. And the idea of religion in general could easily have come from contact with aliens. Really interesting stuff, though taken with a grain of salt. I would really like to just get all the answers when I die because I'm sure we won't know the big picture for a long, long time.

[sgreger1]

Oh, these things would have happened millions or more, years ago, Earth time. Time is interesting, it's all relative.

I have long pondered the concept of time. Why is it linear. Why can we remember the past and not the future. Is it linear?

if you were to go back in time and change something would it affect the future, or create a new one? Is time travel even possible? If it were possible, what good could come of it?

How does time react ot variouse things, like moving at the speed of light, is there a way to cirumvent or bend time? All intiresting questions that hopefully we will someday know.

Read Issac Asimov's The Last Question, best short story i've ever read.

[sgreger1]

I saw a really interesting show on the Discovery channel (or one of those similar channels) on aliens influencing early civilizations. The things they were pointing out were pretty compelling. Like some mayan and egyptian artwork depicting spacecraft and aliens and technology that didn't exist then. Not to mention how quickly and perfectly we built the pyramids. And the idea of religion in general could easily have come from contact with aliens. Really interesting stuff, though taken with a grain of salt. I would really like to just get all the answers when I die because I'm sure we won't know the big picture for a long, long time.

This has been a big interest for me for years. Cave men drawing people in space suits, ancient cultures talking about space crafts, claims of flying disks scaring the horses during a war w/ I think it was Egypt. Paintings from the times of jesus by famous artists showing UFO's beaming something into Jesus's mom. Stories of faries and other such obduction related folklore.


The weird thing is: The craft type never seem to change. There are maybe 5 different vehicles depicted in the past and currently, most commonly the saucer and the cigar shaped ones.

If they have been here for tens of thousands of years, why has their technology not progressed on all that time, why are they driving the same vehicles?

[tom502]

One artifact I think is very interesting is this ancient Egyptian set of heiroglyphs at this temple. It is not disputed as genuine, but the official "answer" is it in coincidence:

http://vejprty.com/abyhelic.htm

[sgreger1]

@ TOM RE: Moon


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...walk-Moon.html

New photos of moon show the orriginal lander,camera and footsteps proving space mission really happened. Although in the pictures I fail to see it, but im sure with enhancements it could be seen more clearly.


I never believed we didn't go to the moon, but it seems like some of it was done on a sound stage, so either hiding something they found, or they ****ed up the film and had to have something to show for it so decided to stage it.

[sgreger1]

One artifact I think is very interesting is this ancient Egyptian set of heiroglyphs at this temple. It is not disputed as genuine, but the official "answer" is it in coincidence:

http://vejprty.com/abyhelic.htm

Tom I gotta stop you right there. I too was amazed at this, but after looking further into this it has been fully debunked that the shapes were made by later ammendments to the orriginal pictures through some process. I forgot the whole reasoning behind it but it has been thoroughly and completely debunked, much to my dismay. Also I believe that picture ended up being photoshopped.



EDIT: These are actually an anthropomorphic representation of the sun and the moon being witness to the crucifiction, and it is is found in many other ancient art aswell

[sgreger1]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...walk-Moon.html

New photos of moon show the orriginal lander,camera and footsteps proving space mission really happened. Although in the pictures I fail to see it, but im sure with enhancements it could be seen more clearly.


I never believed we didn't go to the moon, but it seems like some of it was done on a sound stage, so either hiding something they found, or they ****ed up the film and had to have something to show for it so decided to stage it.



Why are no stars visible in the Apollo photos?
The Apollo landings took place during lunar mornings so the stars were not bright enough to be captured on camera.

Who filmed Neil Armstrong take the first steps?
A video camera was fixed on an extending arm to swing out and capture the historic moment.
Why did the heavy Landing Modules make no impression on the surface, while the astronauts' footprints did?
The layer of lunar dust on the rocky moon is thin, so was blown away from the landing area by the descent engines. This dust resettled by the time the astronauts left the module.
Why does the flag wave?

It was rigged with a rod and wires so that it would look as if it was unfurled and blowing in Apollo photographs.
Why didn't the Lunar module show a flame when it took off from the Moon?
The fuel used does not produce a flame in a vacuum.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...#ixzz0TSyY80UO

[sgreger1]

@ Tom RE: UFO's in art

http://sprezzatura.it/Arte/Arte_UFO_eng.htm

This site debunks most of them pretty well. But definately does not cover all of them, it focuses mainly on paintings. But does make a valid point that when your looking for something you will often see ti in places that it does not exist

[tom502]

Those photos that try to show we landed on the moon do not show anything. It could just as well be a Pizza Hut or a firehydrant there. Now if they sent a moving rover, like they did on Mars, and actually drove it around to the rover and Lem and flag, that would be interesting. Of course the idea of them actual landing being faked, such a thing could be as well. I'm on the fence to a degree about the moon landings, because I really doubt the authenticity of the footage and photos, and the stated reasons of why we could not go, do make some sense, but also, I think it's possible if we did go, what was there was not something the powers that be wanted the world to see, so we were served prepackaged images and storyline.

As far as the Egyptian carving, I'm still thinking there might be something to it. It just looks too good to be coincidince. Of course "debunkers" job, is to make up some rational explaination.

And yes, I am seen all those renaisannce artworks that show artificial sky craft. I really like that one with God, and Jesus(I think) on both sides of a Sputnik looking thing.

[sgreger1]

Well the photo evidence as well as the many other types of evidence would point me in the direction that we certainly went to the moon.

However, the pics and video they sent out were absolutely faked, or at least suffered from severe post production editing.

I think we got a prepackaged version, but I do believe we went to the moon. Mainly because pictures like this show our equipment up there.



I agree with you on the hyrogliphic thing but I saw a page where they compiled expert egyptian historian's thoughts on the UFO thing and they made an extremely valid explanation for what they were and cited that the version going around the internet had been photoshopped and then provided an orriginal picture.

Either way there is still mounds of evidence that aliens have been here before and visited most cultures. Also, it is odd that most all of the cultures during a certain time have the flaming serpent symbol all over their stuff. How did people who didn't even have boats manage to get that symbol the same azs everyone around the world?



It is my conclusion that most likely aliens came early on and for whatever reason told the humans that they were gods, had them build giant structures etc in return for information of math and science.

The egyptians were better mathameticians and engineers than we are today, that is kind of odd in my opinion.