The degradation of the nobel peace prize

[sgreger1]

He was nominated for it 10 days into his presidency. In those 10 days, he had not accomplished anything, like all presidents on their 10th day.

How can anyone defend this is beyond me. 10 days people, 10 days. You are fooling yourselves. And if they gave it to him because he was the first black president than that's just racist Wink

Nominated != chosen. They may have nominated him 10 days in, but the final decision wasn't made 10 days in.

Though that has become quite the talking point since it spreads confusion and makes the decision look more ridiculous than it already is.

Of course, by the same token, this whole "He hasn't actually solved all the world's problems yet!" argument is kinda bunk. For instance, Mother Teresa got the award for "work undertaken in the struggle to overcome poverty and distress, which also constitutes a threat to peace" But there's still poverty despite her efforts. The Dalai Lama got it for "the struggle of the liberation of Tibet and the efforts for a peaceful resolution instead of using violence", yet Tibet is still not free. Do they also not deserve the prize?

Perhaps Barack Obama deserves it for simply not pushing through all this legislation he wants like a dictator or Bush would/did.

Those are good points. But there are so many more who deserve it, hell, even Hillary Clinton has accomplished more peace than he has.

Hillary Clinton settles dispute between Turkey and Armenia. If only there was some prize she could win to show how she's making peace in the world

Here's the list of people the Nobel Committee decided were less praiseworthy than Obama


But I know that thing happens all the time. All Gore won it and the euopean high court has investigated and ruled that his "An Inconvenient Truth" documentary inconveniently has 9 blaring errors where they misquoted or flat out lied about the data.


Frankly I see the novel peace prize as a bad thing for him because it just puts more pressure on him. Hopefully this was just other countries puting him on the spot to end the wars.

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[sgreger1]

@sgreger1 - let's see what happens coming up, eh? :wink:

Haha, if it's anything like what we've seen so far this year, with a drastic increase in runaway spending, growing of the war effort, increased lobbyism, and even more renewals of the patriot act, than it should be epic.

[shikitohno]

Well, if the website for the nobel prize is to be believed, I'd guess he got it for doing all the things you dislike about him. They say it was awarded for, "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." That's basically all that shuttling about he was doing since he's been elected. Bush refused to agree to many environmental issues, so they never even hit the Congress in the form of treaties. Obama is active in the talks to try and replace Kyoto. Bush didn't like something a country was doing, he threatened it with war, whether the UN liked his ideas or not. Obama hasn't done that yet.

And Hilary Clinton didn't do that much for Turkey and Armenia. In fact, the US is one of the worst countries to bring up as helping that. We initially acknowledged the genocide as such when it occurred, and then during the Cold War, Turkey was the only country in the region that didn't become part of the USSR, so the US swept that little incident under the rug and has denied it was a genocide ever since. I could go to the next room over and ask my Armenian roommate if you guys doubt me. Recently the president of Armenia attended a football game (soccer to the rest of my fellow Americans) in Turkey with their president, who reciprocated. They realised that they both weren't bastards, and promised to normal relationships, and open the border to trade after it having been shut for 14 years. That's now happening.

If you're principle source of news is an American media outlet, Obama is doomed to be thought of as a failure. He was hyped up to a level that is impossible for a single man to live up to. If you want some semblance of what's going on, read a US paper, like the New York Times, the BBC news page, and perhaps al-jazeera. As an example of how wrong US media can be at times, I present you with al-jazeera. They aren't the radical Muslim paper that we make them out to be. The reason why bin Laden releases his videos and what not to them is that they're like the BBC. Across Europe, you can at least get either a BBC TV channel or radio station. Likewise for al-jazeera across the Middle East.

[zmanzero]

@sgreger1 - let's see what happens coming up, eh? :wink:

Haha, if it's anything like what we've seen so far this year, with a drastic increase in runaway spending, growing of the war effort, increased lobbyism, and even more renewals of the patriot act, than it should be epic.

we'll see. in the meantime, read this - http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/64058582.html - i'm outta here bro.

Loud protests were heard from many of the same folks who have been proclaiming for months that Obama was the absolute worst president in the history of modern America. They thought he was so dangerous, he shouldn't be allowed to speak to the nation's schoolchildren. The same folks criticized Obama for "losing" the 2016 Olympic Games for Chicago and called it a sign he had no respect from the international community.

[sgreger1]

@Zman,

AHha, yah they were upset because they had the kids singing hims of praise about Obama during school. Imagine if they made them do that about Bush! Oh the humanity, it would be a riot of epic proportions, code pink would be out in full force.

But seriousely I don't agree with all the fringe stuff going on against Obama, but it will always happen with every president.


@Shikitohno

AL Jazeera, **** that shit man they are completely anti-US i've read their nonesense more time than i'd like. But it's true, the American medai has hyped him up to the point that the shoes are now too big to fit.

And I do believe the nobel peace prize website, it's just that 10 days into his rpesidency when they decided to nominate him for it, he hadn't done those things they claimed. And since then, he also hasn't done the thigns they claim. But maybe he will in the future, who knows.

Lately the nobel peace prize has gone more for people with potential than people who have actually accomplished something tangable yet.



I hope he does make the US more liked by other nations but frnakly that is las ton the list of things I care about. I don't care what others think of me, so that leaks into my political side where I don't think we should be so concerned about being loved by everyone. Superpowers are always going to be hated by one group or another.

[VBSnus]

Hey sgreger!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_300372.html

As a savvy source points out, back in 2006 children from Gulf Coast states serenaded First Lady Laura Bush with a song praising the President, Congress, and Federal Emergency Management Agency for their response to -- of all things -- Hurricane Katrina. The lyrics were as follow:

Our country's stood beside us People have sent us aid. Katrina could not stop us, our hopes will never fade. Congress, Bush and FEMA People across our land Together have come to rebuild us and we join them hand-in-hand!

The event took place at that year's White House Easter Egg Roll and included roughly 100 children from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama. President Bush, it seems, wasn't in attendance during the song itself. But he was there earlier, when the First Lady read the book, Will You Be My Friend: A Bunny and Bird Story by Nancy Tafuri, to the children.

"After the reading," the Wall Street Journal reported at the time, "Mr. Bush asked, 'Did you like this book? Does it tell you about what people can do to help other people, what bird did to help bunny? Be kind to him and give him shelter.'"


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_300372.html

She also didn't work for the school. Time to lower the outrageometer temp a bit!

[texasmade]

I don't think we should be so concerned about being loved by everyone.

if everybody has love for you, you're doing something wrong...i wont e a part of any country that wants to be the rest of the world's little school girl bitch

[sgreger1]

I don't think we should be so concerned about being loved by everyone.

if everybody has love for you, you're doing something wrong...i wont e a part of any country that wants to be the rest of the world's little school girl bitch

I agree.

A) It's never going to happen. Like in life, you will have friends, you will have acquaintances, and you will have those who don't like you. Cannot get around it.

B) We should be more intirested in making our economy strong, our military stonger, and the morale of the people much higher. This will lead to victory regardless of what anyone thinks of us. We already give more foreign aid than most of the world combined, we do our part.

[texasmade]

i think if we keep going down this path people should start organizing...

im not gonna hold anything against obama because alot of presidents dont get much if anything accomplished within the first year plus he isnt the be all rule all of this country

anything bad that happens we can only blame ourselves or the majority of people that put those politicians in office

edit: also i didnt vote this election i missed the age by a few months so i really have no place to complain

[sgreger1]

i think if we keep going down this path people should start organizing...

im not gonna hold anything against obama because alot of presidents dont get much if anything accomplished within the first year plus he isnt the be all rule all of this country

anything bad that happens we can only blame ourselves or the majority of people that put those politicians in office

edit: also i didnt vote this election i missed the age by a few months so i really have no place to complain

Lol,you'r only 18?? THat's cool i'm only 23 so can't talk much. I think people will start organizing, but it will take much more than the current atmosphere to cue such a movement.

This whole thing is of course not Obama's fault, he has added to the problem like so many presidents before him. All the way back to FDR and further, the POTUS has become the SCREWUS, and congress seems to attract the worst characters society has to offer.


We need fundamental change in this country. This means either follow the constitution more strictly, or re-write it so that no one can play the "oh well this is how it was MEANT to be interpreted" bid when trying to create unconstitutional laws.

Like how many claim that the 2nd ammendment was meant to only apply to a states right to have a militia, but since we have the national guard there is no longer a need for the 2nd ammendment.

I thought it was written pretty clearly but since it was so long ago it is hard to prove it. Maybe we need to re-write it? Probabaly should wait untill a more centrist govenrmnet arrises that is not all dem or all rep before we decide to make any real changes.

[texasmade]

yes only 18 but a smart 18

every party has their own interests at heart not those of the people, thats my opinion. what they say sounds god to certain people...

majority of people isnt all people..so i say **** their ideas..i have opposed govt for a long time(far less than some others here but a long time to me)

[sgreger1]

I have no issues with government, only with overbearing nanny state corrupt governments.

I'm sure you can guess which one I feel we have at the moment, and have had for some time.

[Skimo]

You a programmer VB?

To jump in, I'm fed up with politicians, doesn't matter what flavor/color/aroma sick of 'em.

I'm sick of sycophants who toe party lines without thinking.

I'm sick and tired of my brothers and sisters fighting wars with nations that we gave new leaders not even a full generation later.

I'm tired of being lied to by politicians, force fed lies.

I'm tired of U.S. citizens taking sides, THERE ARE NO BLOODY SIDES! There is ONE side, OUR side.

Third parties aren't helpful BECAUSE of the political BS spewed from both majority sides... they the politicians have

DIVIDED AND CONQUERED the people of this great nation.

sorry for the rant.