POLITICAL: "You lie" turns out to be true. Illegal

[spirit72]

Fix immigration and then it there is no need for dealing with it in healthcare legislation.

If unemployment in the U.S. continues to rise or remain static as unemployment benefits begin to expire on a large scale, I suspect that our illegal immigration problem will become a smaller one all by itself.

[sagedil]

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NEWS FLASH: Illegals use other's SS numbers incase you didn't know. Like I said before, if you would have read it, I think they SHOULD not only be allowed to, but be forced to use their own money to pay for it.

They may use fake socials to get a job, but those fake socials don't match what the government has for them. So again, NO tax payer money would go for subsidies for them.

As for the rest, I agree.

But again, the whole point of THIS post YOU started is somehow illegals were gonna get something from the HC bill. That is plainly incorrect.

I am done. Your post was wrong, end of story.

[tom502]

We need to build a giant iron wall to protect the borders, and all illegals should be given the option to join the military and become citizens, or be sent back to their country, after 1 year of hard labor camp.

[truthwolf1]

If I was living in a even more corrupt country south of the border with a chance at a better life I would probably do the same thing. When you look at the facts though it is already out of anybodys control. It looks like we are just going to end up melting with Mexico and our living standards will somehow meet in the near future. If you would like to see what that will eventually look like go to the Bronx in New York.

1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP.../01/ldt.0.html

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare and Social Services by the American taxpayers. http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...01/ldt.01.html

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two-and-a-half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIP...12/ldt.01.html

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.o...eportation.pdf

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States". http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

Total cost is a whooping... $338.3 BILLION A YEAR!!!

[tom502]

Kim Jong Il would not stand for this.

[PsychoHazard]

Kim Jong Il would not stand for this.

Che Guevara wouldn't either.

[sgreger1]

We need to build a giant iron wall to protect the borders, and all illegals should be given the option to join the military and become citizens, or be sent back to their country, after 1 year of hard labor camp.

Actually the military does have a visa program where you do your stint in the army and then get citizenship. I had one mexican guy in my unit that did that and one guy from some where in south africa.

[sgreger1]

The bandaid is trying to deal with immigration issues in a healthcare bill.

Fix immigration and then it there is no need for dealing with it in healthcare legislation.

Ah, okay I see what you're saying. Well I must admit you are right. If only it were that simple. I just know they will never deal with the immegration problem, so I would like to stop the money bleeding as soon as possible.

[sgreger1]

They may use fake socials to get a job, but those fake socials don't match what the government has for them. So again, NO tax payer money would go for subsidies for them.

As for the rest, I agree.

But again, the whole point of THIS post YOU started is somehow illegals were gonna get something from the HC bill. That is plainly incorrect.

I am done. Your post was wrong, end of story.

First of all, THEY WILL GET something from this, like they always have. Because it is still illegal to ask about your immegration status when going to the hospital. So this bill will allow illegals, just like the current system does. How do you not understand that. Your a smart guy sage but you have to realize when you are wrong.

[sgreger1]

Kim Jong Il would not stand for this.

Haha, touche Tom.

[RRK]

The fringe theory has always been that a North American Union is just waiting on a common currency. But thats just crazy, the Dollar is the world trade standard. :wink:

[sagedil]

They may use fake socials to get a job, but those fake socials don't match what the government has for them. So again, NO tax payer money would go for subsidies for them.

As for the rest, I agree.

But again, the whole point of THIS post YOU started is somehow illegals were gonna get something from the HC bill. That is plainly incorrect.

I am done. Your post was wrong, end of story.

First of all, THEY WILL GET something from this, like they always have. Because it is still illegal to ask about your immegration status when going to the hospital. So this bill will allow illegals, just like the current system does. How do you not understand that. Your a smart guy sage but you have to realize when you are wrong.

Utterly and completely separate issue. Are there problems with how we handle immigration issues now. Of course!!! BUT..... that is not what you first posted. You posted that the HC Bill would cover illegals, and it doesn't. You want to start a separate post railing with everything wrong with our immigration system, fine. But again, I am just posting to what you first posted on this thread.

"The health bill, which wasn't going to cover illegals, then absolutely would not cover illegals, then would freeze hell solid before it covered illegals, then I totally pinky-promise will not ever cover illegals, is going to cover illegals"

This headline was incorrect. Even you admitted it on your next post...

Forgot to add that currently the Senate bill has language excluding illegal immigrants from coverage

So your title of this thread ....POLITICAL: "You lie" turns out to be true. Illegal.....turned out to be factually untrue and I will continue to be angered when people post things on this forum that are untrue.

[sgreger1]

The fringe theory has always been that a North American Union is just waiting on a common currency. But thats just crazy, the Dollar is the world trade standard. :wink:

Well it's fringe in that it probably won't happen, but the NAFTA stuff is most certianly real. Their argument was that if we spend 10% of what the EU spends on it's poorest country, and spent that on Mexico, we could see a return on profit, as well as have a better military defense since our entire continent is now on the same team.

As for the currency, the dollar is going to die soon, inflation amongst other things. A lot of countries have already stopped sleling oil in USD, and oil sales are the main reson that the $ is even in demand. Plus China and other countries are badmouthing it, changing the reserve currency etc. I think it is inevitable that at SOME point in time, we all move to a cashless society or at least an internationally recognized currency.


Hopefully not though.

[sagedil]

[A lot of countries have already stopped sleling oil in USD,

Name one!!!!!

[sgreger1]

They may use fake socials to get a job, but those fake socials don't match what the government has for them. So again, NO tax payer money would go for subsidies for them.

As for the rest, I agree.

But again, the whole point of THIS post YOU started is somehow illegals were gonna get something from the HC bill. That is plainly incorrect.

I am done. Your post was wrong, end of story.

First of all, THEY WILL GET something from this, like they always have. Because it is still illegal to ask about your immegration status when going to the hospital. So this bill will allow illegals, just like the current system does. How do you not understand that. Your a smart guy sage but you have to realize when you are wrong.

Utterly and completely separate issue. Are there problems with how we handle immigration issues now. Of course!!! BUT..... that is not what you first posted. You posted that the HC Bill would cover illegals, and it doesn't. You want to start a separate post railing with everything wrong with our immigration system, fine. But again, I am just posting to what you first posted on this thread.

"The health bill, which wasn't going to cover illegals, then absolutely would not cover illegals, then would freeze hell solid before it covered illegals, then I totally pinky-promise will not ever cover illegals, is going to cover illegals"

This headline was incorrect. Even you admitted it on your next post...

Forgot to add that currently the Senate bill has language excluding illegal immigrants from coverage

So your title of this thread ....POLITICAL: "You lie" turns out to be true. Illegal.....turned out to be factually untrue and I will continue to be angered when people post things on this forum that are untrue.

Sage, Ture or false:

Illegal immegrants will continue costing us money by using our healthcare system, without having to pay into it, after this healthcare bill is passed.

The post was clearly labeled, and is correct, and had the link to the new article in which this is stated. They will still be able to use the HC system and gets free shit, like they always have. For you to claim that suddenly after passing this bill that no illegals will get covered at the ER or elsewhere, is completely false,a nd I will continue to be angered when you deny the obviouse. That illegals will still be taxing our HC system.





Are you actually making the claim that if in the HC bill, 1 sentence was added saying "This bill will eliminate all of our national debt, stop the wars, and end world hunger" that it would actually happen? No, because absent of a mechanism to bring that about, it is just a meaningless sentence used for political gain so people like you will support it.

That is exactly what they've done with the illegals. They tried selling it to use saying that illegals use the ER and that is costing us too much, let us pass this bill! And then turn around and say, oh yah, we added a snetence on illegals not doing that anymore, but we have no intention of enforcing it in anyway.



If that's how legislation worked Sage, they could jsut write every bill as 1 sentence.

"This bill will reform healthcare"
"This bill will ensure we win in Afghanistan"
"This bill will end murder"

It means nothing, unless also contained in that bill is something that actually DOES SOMETHING or ammends/establishes new laws regarding how we are going to accomplish those goals.

At the end of the day, this bill will pass, illegals will still be using our system, and we can revisit the discussion at that time.