Happy Holidays Greeting Opinions

[tom502]

I suspect the term "African-American" was termed by a black racialist and or a liberal Marxist college group, that pushed a racial agenda. Blacks never voted for what they preferred. This was a pandering effort done by the government to appease agitating black racialists. Black people don't mind being called black, negro isn't bad either. Negro is the correct term, if caucasion is being used, black when white. If African American is going to be used, then whites should want to use European American, as whites also have a heritage and ethnicity as well. It's simply a racially divisive word, and also incorrect, as Africa is a nation, not a color, and many races of people are from Africa.

[texasmade]

why would God allow this to happen?[/quote]

Or is it the SNUS GOD??!!![/quote]

you mean Jambalombannen the ancient mayan God of non saliva producing oral tobacco?

[sgreger1]

You drop that knowledge Tom lol

[Premium Parrots]

and snuff is the anti-christ

then what are cigs?

the roman empire

[Paul]

why would God allow this to happen?

Or is it the SNUS GOD??!!![/quote]

you mean Jambalombannen the ancient mayan God of non saliva producing oral tobacco?[/quote]


HAIL Jambalombannen !!!!

[justintempler]

BTW I don't take any offense if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas.

I used to be a Christian, I started out being raised a Roman Catholic and after seeing the contradictions between what I was taught and what the bible said. I started doing my own bible study. Back in the early 1980's I studied some of the teachings from the Worldwide Church of God. They had a booklet called:

The Plain Truth About Christmas.pdf


That was the beginning of my road to becoming an atheist.

The movie Zeitgeist (as flawed as it was) was the final step in my deconversion from believer to heathen.

[RRK]

The Plain Truth About Christmas.pdf

Thats a pretty good pamphlet but I noticed some errors. In my understanding Manichaeism is not really a pagan religion. Baal is not the name of a sun god specifically and Saint Nicholas was earlier then the 5th century and could have possibly attended the Council of Nicaea in 325. But, it hits most of the good points.

I too enjoy the religious part of Zeitgeist but I see it more as a criticism of the religion of Christianity rather then the spirituality and the recurrence of themes throughout world religions as more of support of rather then proof against its validity.

I think one of the best things about growing up Roman Catholic is that so many of us move on from that point and search for truth maybe a bit more then those brought up under other Christian denominations. As with many religions there is a meaning on the surface of it and for those who educate themselves there are other levels of meaning. It is sort of a connection between modern spirituality and the symbology and ritual of the spirituality of the past. Having said all of that I still label myself a Christian I just interpret things a bit differently then most.

Edit:
Also, that pamphlet leaves some of the roots of Christmas that are related to Saint Nicholas. For one there is a story that Saint Nicholas left gold in the drying stockings of a poor family with three daughters to act as their dowry. There is also another story about gift giving where sailors would return home in December to celebrate Saint Nicholas' feast day and would bring with them trinkets from their travels abroad and give them to their families. Saint Nicholas was the patron saint of sailors.

[lobstershack]

I suspect the term "African-American" was termed by a black racialist and or a liberal Marxist college group, that pushed a racial agenda. Blacks never voted for what they preferred. This was a pandering effort done by the government to appease agitating black racialists. Black people don't mind being called black, negro isn't bad either. Negro is the correct term, if caucasion is being used, black when white. If African American is going to be used, then whites should want to use European American, as whites also have a heritage and ethnicity as well. It's simply a racially divisive word, and also incorrect, as Africa is a nation, not a color, and many races of people are from Africa.

Race doesn't exist except as a concept, and also, Negro is offensive because it was a label attached to them by the spanish, and also carries the weight of 400 years of slavery by association. When people wrote Negro, they meant to say "slave".

All in all race was engineered by the Catholic Church in the 15th century as a way to characterize indigenous peoples in a way that sanctioned either total conversion or genocide.

More on topic though, I think we should keep Eostre in Easter. You know, the pagan fertility god? Cause it's not all about guys on crosses and abosolutely improbable "ressurections"........

[RRK]

I think we should keep Eostre in Easter.

Did it ever leave?

[Roo]

Tom, forgive me, I promise I'm not trying to bust your balls like it usually seems. That said, I don't know to many black dudes who wouldn't do a major double-take and ask me to repeat myself if I referred to them as my negro friend lol. Do you? Maybe Kentucky is just different. Personally though I agree about the PC term, I would feel just as silly calling a black person african american to their face as I would saying negro. Caucasian is just as dumb, as neither myself or any known ancestors hail from Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, etc. Speaking of nations, Africa isn't one of them. I know you know, sorry it just bugs me when people call it that. Christ, what's the topic of this thread again? Oops.

[justintempler]

The Plain Truth About Christmas.pdf

Thats a pretty good pamphlet but I noticed some errors. ....

Agreed there are errors, it made for a nice starting point for me over 25 years ago. You have to remember that the pamphlet was written back in the days before the internet when researching had to be done at local libraries.

The Worldwide Chirch of God had their own twisted view of the world, they thought the rise of the European Union would herald in the anti-christ culminating in the end of the world by the year 2000. :roll:

[tom502]

I would not use the term negro in casual conversation, but if I was using technical terms in a paper and used caucasion, I would use negro, if the subject warranted. If a formal term needed to be used, I think black and white would suffice, but then should one also use red, yellow, and brown? It sounds silly. So perhaps we should use the PC terms, but use them equally, in terms of race in America, such as African American for anyone black, European American for whites, Native American for American Indians, Asian-American for Asians, and maybe Latino American for the south of the border people. It all gets rather silly, and technically incorrect in many ways. It would be optimal to just call people people, and Americans Americans. But this nation tends to thrive on designating people by their skin, though sometimes you do need a term, I just think the term needs to be equally respectful. And yes, Africa is a continent, and not a nation.

[justintempler]

I say we put the Christ back in Christmas right after we finish putting Thor back in Thursdays.

Where do you think the 7 days of the week came from?

[lxskllr]

The Worldwide Chirch of God had their own twisted view of the world, they thought the rise of the European Union would herald in the anti-christ culminating in the end of the world by the year 2000. :roll:

So they were off a few years... :^P

[tom502]

What personally irks me about Christianity, and I mean no offense to Christians, I respect everyone's right to believe as they choose, as long as it's one's personal faith, and does not harm others, and respects other's freedom of the same, but I find what Christian's "believe", is not, or has anything to do with what Jesus taught. I think Jesus was a great teacher of spirituality, and very enlightened, and taught a nobel path. But the Christian church teaches one to believe in stuff that Jesus never taught, and even goes against what Jesus taught. I think it's a shame, because most everyone is missing out on the real Jesus, instead to cling to this Paulist mythology, which was formulated after Jesus died, and I don't think Paul even met Jesus in person. He just exploited the name and made up his own cult around it.