HAARP, Chemtrails: Conspiracy or not?

[truthwolf1]

Doesn't change the fact that I believe what i've seen but these pictures are obviously depicting very different things than I had assumed. Not that things couldn't have more than one purpose, but still

The sad part is that you'll gladly base your beliefs on lies.

You'll make a good sheep. :roll:

Look justin, I get it that you are smarter and more experienced than me, but that is what I would expect from someone 20 YEARS MY SENIOR. Perhaps someday I will be as enlightened as you.

Untill then, I don't know what I believe and always try and take everything with a grain of salt, but I know something is happening. Not questioning things you see wrong would be being a sheep. Blindly believing what every conspiracy website says also makes you a sheep. I do neither.

My thoughts are you if you are even posting in these topics as a crackpot (like myself), ufo debunker or even show any interest you have passed the sheep stage. To call someone a sheep for trying to open his/her mind really makes no sense to me. For the most part we are trying to get to the bottom of many topics. I could list a whole bunch of things in history that were discussed probably the same way they are in this forum that started as conspiracy but ended up being true and false.

[justintempler]

To call someone a sheep for trying to open his/her mind really makes no sense to me.

If that is what you thought I did, then you misunderstood me.

He bases his beliefs on what he sees,
I show him what he sees is an illusion,
He wants to continue believing anyway.

That sounds an awful lot like a closed mind to me :?:

All you have to do to control people is appeal to their fears to reinforce their beliefs.

That's how we end up talking about, chemtrails, FEMA camps, 9/11 conspiracies, WMDs, death panels.....

You want to go to war to control Iraqi oil?
We don't have to convince people WMDs exist, we just have to convince enough people that they might exist.

You want to stop insurance reform?
We don't have to convince people death panels exist, we just have to scare enough people to think that they might exist.

You can not prove things do not exist, only that they do.
I can not prove WMDs do not exist.
I can not prove death panels do not exist.

Exploit someone's fear they they might exist and you can lead them like sheep to slaughter.

[snupy]

He bases his beliefs on what he sees,
I show him what he sees is an illusion,
He wants to continue believing anyway.

Underneath it all is paranoia, of the-government-is-out-to-get-me type. Look for other posts which contain the exact same tin-foil hat ideas to see what I refer to here.

[sgreger1]

To call someone a sheep for trying to open his/her mind really makes no sense to me.

If that is what you thought I did, then you misunderstood me.

He bases his beliefs on what he sees,
I show him what he sees is an illusion,
He wants to continue believing anyway.

That sounds an awful lot like a closed mind to me :?:

I saw that you explained the pictures and I thanked you. Whats with all the personal attacks old man?

Each person has to decide what they do and don't believe. You believe AGW because some scientists have shown you data which bring you to the conclusion that it is real.

I see something happening and come to the conclusion that it's real, though I am not sure what it is.

Like UFO's. Perhaps they are just test aircraft. Doesn't mean the person didn't see something, just their assumption of what they saw was wrong.
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[texasmade]

i saw Mother Teresa in my comdom

[sgreger1]

He bases his beliefs on what he sees,
I show him what he sees is an illusion,
He wants to continue believing anyway.

Underneath it all is paranoia, of the-government-is-out-to-get-me type. Look for other posts which contain the exact same tin-foil hat ideas to see what I refer to here.

While some Americans like myself can be hyper vigilant against the boogey man of the day, like the government, I am sure that all the people who were killed because of government's in the past were all wrong, amirite? All the people who got radiation poisoning from nuclear tests, the government told the truth when they said it was safe, right? When they experimented on US citizens dozens of times over the last 50 years, they were just tin foil hat wearers, right? When they DID spray chemicals in the air of San Francisco, which lead to multiple deaths, those people were just paranoid right?


While of course most conspiracy theories are just that, conspiracy theories, to deny that the government has committed mass injustice to countless humans, both in our government and abroad, is naive.

I would rather have the tin foil hat on than end up one of the people who falls prey to the injustices that plague this republic as well as every other nation.

No, the government could never go to war for oil, that's just paranoia. No they wouldn't let Pearl Harbor happen if they had advanced knowledge that an attack was immanent.

It's all just paranoia, i'm sure. :roll:

[sgreger1]

You want to go to war to control Iraqi oil?
We don't have to convince people WMDs exist, we just have to convince enough people that they might exist.

Haha, the sad irony of this statement is that the tin foil hat crowd were the ones saying there were no WMD's, and people like you were making fun of them for being paranoid about the government. Saying a government conspiracy like that couldn't go unnoticed and would involve thousands to be involved in the plot. Rofl.

Here, let me get you a knife to cut through all the irony, because it's that thick:

Exploit someone's fear they they might exist and you can lead them like sheep to slaughter.

Yep, all those soldiers and civilians died because of the government conspiring to use fake intel to push their agenda. If only someone had had their tin foil hat on.

[kamikaze]

I learnt in Met classes that contaminants and pollution in the air can create or help to create clouds as it gives them something to bond to ( apologies for not being more scientific, we had a lot to get through )

In areas that have drought they spray crap into the air to help create clouds and ultimately rain.

Have a look!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

[lxskllr]

Sorry sgreger1, I couldn't help myself :^D

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[justintempler]

lxskllr,

That sprinkler video comes from you tube user dbootsthediva

http://www.youtube.com/user/dbootsthediva

Here is her HAARP video :roll:

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[lxskllr]

O.o

They're bending space/time on her property :^D

[sgreger1]

I learnt in Met classes that contaminants and pollution in the air can create or help to create clouds as it gives them something to bond to ( apologies for not being more scientific, we had a lot to get through )

In areas that have drought they spray crap into the air to help create clouds and ultimately rain.

Have a look!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding

Yah there's a russian company called Eilat or something that sells a commercial version of this, but it doesn't require seeding. They claim by installing this tower you can make it rain. Several countries do this regularly which kinda makes me wonder how healthy that is to be messing with the climate like that.

The reality is that the weather can be manipulated to an extent and in the future i'm sure the tech will get better, but who is going to regulate that? Like if one country hogs all the rain it could affect the entire globe in ways that may be hard to predict.

[skruf_mcgruff]

Sorry sgreger1, I couldn't help myself :^D

I had totally forgot about this video, awesome.

everywhere we look...the visible spectrum..is rainbows...

:P

[sgreger1]

Sorry sgreger1, I couldn't help myself :^D

Lololo, I remember seeing this video a while back. Rainbow conspiracy ftw!!! lol apparently some people aren't aware of how rainbows work.


And what was with Justin's "They'r controlled gyroscoping my house" video?? Its obviously the camera shaking as everything in the frame shakes. How would an antennae array shake your house?