Corporations and Unions may now fund political campaigns

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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #1

    Corporations and Unions may now fund political campaigns

    Corporations and Unions may now spend as much as they want for political campaigning

    The Supreme Court today struck down key elements of McCain-Feingold legislation in a decision that could radically altercampaign finance.

    In a broad 5-4 decision in Citizens United vs. FEC, the Court found unconstitutional provisions in the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act that prevented corporate and labor union money from funding some kinds of political communication.

    But the case was given an unusual re-hearing, with new players in the form of Justice Sonia Sotomayor and Obama Solicitor General Elena Kagan, and this time it focused on the much broader question of whether corporate spending limits were themselves constitutional.

    http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf



    JUSTICE KENNEDY delivered the opinion of the Court.

    Federal law prohibits corporations and unions from using their general treasury funds to make independentexpenditures for speech defined as an “electioneering communication” or for speech expressly advocating the election or defeat of a candidate. 2 U. S. C. §441b. Limits on electioneering communications were upheld in McCon-nell v. Federal Election Comm’n, 540 U. S. 93, 203–209 (2003). The holding of McConnell rested to a large extent on an earlier case, Austin v. Michigan Chamber of Com-merce, 494 U. S. 652 (1990). Austin had held that political speech may be banned based on the speaker’s corporate identity.

    In this case we are asked to reconsider Austin and, in effect, McConnell.

    from headnotes:

    [ 2. Austin is overruled, and thus provides no basis for allowing the Government to limit corporate independent expenditures. Hence, §441b’s restrictions on such expenditures are invalid and cannot be applied to Hillary. Given this conclusion, the part of McConnell that upheld BCRA §203’s extension of §441b’s restrictions on independent corporate expenditures is also overruled. Pp. 20–51.]

    (This should help fix politics and change business as usual, right?)
  • Veganpunk
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    • Jun 2009
    • 5382

    #2
    So what, now they can do it in the open as opposed to behind closed doors.

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    • sgreger1
      Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 9451

      #3
      Originally posted by Veganpunk
      So what, now they can do it in the open as opposed to behind closed doors.

      "On its own, it will not be responsible to opening the floodgates to corporate money ... because the floodgates were pretty wide open to begin with," Persily says.

      OBAMA:

      With its ruling today, the Supreme Court has given a green light to a new stampede of special interest money in our politics. It is a major victory for big oil, Wall Street banks, health insurance companies and the other powerful interests that marshal their power every day in Washington to drown out the voices of everyday Americans. This ruling gives the special interests and their lobbyists even more power in Washington--while undermining the influence of average Americans who make small contributions to support their preferred candidates. That's why I am instructing my Administration to get to work immediately with Congress on this issue. We are going to talk with bipartisan Congressional leaders to develop a forceful response to this decision. The public interest requires nothing less.


      Your right. I have to agree with Obama on this one, perhaps a constitutional ammendment is in order here.

      They claim that it will make it more transparent but if it's legal than no one can complain about it, so needs to be remain illegal.

      I just find it odd that this happens right before election time and was made possible by Sonia Sotomayor and Solicitor General Elena Kagan.

      Also, a foreign government looking to influence US elections can buy out a smaller corporation, then use them to funnel money to domestic candidates that better reflect their foreign policy goals if I am reading this correctly.

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      • tom502
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        • Feb 2009
        • 8985

        #4
        Unions are the mass labor strongholds of the Communist party. They are extreme leftists, all vote democrat. I used to be in a union, and their links to the Communist party are not secret, and they have political agendas. They will use(exploit) the workers with left propaganda to get them to give money and vote the communist leaning Democrat way.

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Not that this hasn't been happening for a while, but i just fear that many corporations are owned by international interests and therefore are now empowered to influence our domestic policy with a greater level of ease than ever before. Not that it was too hard before though.


          One step closer to corporate feudal serfdom.

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          • RRK
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            • Sep 2009
            • 926

            #6
            This is a "means to an ends" issue. Though freedom can be dangerous I would much rather protect freedom of speech then impose limits because we are afraid of what might be said. If we take away our own rights then what is it we are afraid of losing to the "communists"?

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            • Roo
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              • Jun 2008
              • 3446

              #7
              What does unchecked corporate influence over affairs of the state have to do with communism?

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              • sgreger1
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 9451

                #8
                Originally posted by RRK
                This is a "means to an ends" issue. Though freedom can be dangerous I would much rather protect freedom of speech then impose limits because we are afraid of what might be said. If we take away our own rights then what is it we are afraid of losing to the "communists"?

                I get the argument about how this is really a freedom of speech issue, but in reality this corporate personhood is BS. Because it empowers those who are not American citizens to exercise rights here that they are not privy to. It allows some guy in India or Iran who heads a corporation here to influence our politics openly and spend as much money as they want to serve their own interests.

                This doesn't strike me as an issue of whether or not to hold up the 1st amendment, it strikes me as a way to further corrupt campaign financing, which really is the biggest problem with our system today. Between lobbyists and now corp and unions, the whole thing pretty much goes to the highest bidder.

                I think that destroys our rights and freedom more than anything.

                Elections were supposed to be so the people could chose who to lead the republic towards prosperity. But now it's about who can get the most money for their campaign instead of actually having to rely on proposing a good plan of action and follow through with it.

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                • RRK
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                  • Sep 2009
                  • 926

                  #9
                  Originally posted by sgreger1
                  Because it empowers those who are not American citizens to exercise rights here that they are not privy to.
                  I believe freedom of speech extends to anyone not just American citizens.

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                  • sgreger1
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RRK
                    Originally posted by sgreger1
                    Because it empowers those who are not American citizens to exercise rights here that they are not privy to.
                    I believe freedom of speech extends to anyone not just American citizens.
                    I believe it does as well, and no government has the power to take that away. I am just saying it allows people from other countries (international banks etc) to have a more intimate relationship with our elected officials than they already do. It allows them to participate in our elections, which is not how the system was meant to work.


                    Imagine if during the creation of America we let the Queen have a say in who gets elected or who gets the most money for their campaign.

                    This is why i'm saying it's not about freedom of speech, no one is saying you can't speak freely, we are just saying that allowing corporations to directly influence the election results isn't a step in the right direction. Not that they don't already hold heavy influence, but this just makes it easier.

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                    • Ainkor
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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1144

                      #11
                      Here is all I have to say about this:



                      Yah, I made it, yes I am a gimp newb :P

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                      • sgreger1
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        #12
                        I agree, I think we should allow it only if they wear the names of their sponsors all over them like nascar drivers.

                        So that when they walk out to campaign and they are covered in goldman sachs, SEIU, ACLU, AIG, Fannie & Freddie we can know exactly what their plan of action is without them having to speak a work.

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