Low Swiss Crime Rate

[GoldenBoy]

hey another post from me. :shock:

Interesting topic. I live in Switzerland.

Now even more interesting how some people make connections to fit information in their agenda.

1. True every male has to go to military training, but not everybody keeps the gun at home. There are armorys to store them safely near the home. Some psychos going berserk with their army gun, and the lack of invading armys made that weapon at home thing unpopular. (Here there is a strong differnce between country and city live, in the country side the military training is important and the step in to adulthood for many young men while in the citiys the army is unpopular, and many people chose to do civil instead of armed services.)

2. Hitler didnt attack Switzerland for many reasons, a smaller one being all those guns. He needed a place to store and convert money, (75% of the German Gold transfers were done from Swiss banks) Also in case of invasion the swiss army planned to give up all plain territory pull back into the mountains. He also had bigger things on his mind. So an attack just never was worth it. So its far too simple to think that it was only the guns that saved Switzerland in WWII.

Well Im not sure Ive more guns mean more safety, but Im quite sure its not the only reason for low crime rates.

Cheers.

[RobsanX]

Yeah some of us have this radical idea that people shouldn't have to go broke paying for healthcare. :roll:

[RobsanX]

It's very depressing when you drag yourself everyday to job that is not fulfilling, knowing if you quit, you may not even find another one, and risk losing it all and have to panhandle and live under a bridge. The American dream?

I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to get an affordable education so you could in turn get a well paying job that you enjoy? Wouldn't it also be nice to not have to worry about your healthcare or getting sick and not finding insurance? Are these these right wing ideals? Hell no!

Anybody who works for a living, makes less than $250,000, and votes Republican is either seriously misinformed, a religious fanatic, mentally ill, or all of the above.

People are sooooo worried about someone getting a free meal, when that is like spit in the ocean compared to the corporate welfare being dolled out year after year. Holy crap!

[RedMacGregor]

It's very depressing when you drag yourself everyday to job that is not fulfilling, knowing if you quit, you may not even find another one, and risk losing it all and have to panhandle and live under a bridge. The American dream?

I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to get an affordable education so you could in turn get a well paying job that you enjoy? Wouldn't it also be nice to not have to worry about your healthcare or getting sick and not finding insurance? Are these these right wing ideals? Hell no!

Anybody who works for a living, makes less than $250,000, and votes Republican is either seriously misinformed, a religious fanatic, mentally ill, or all of the above.

People are sooooo worried about someone getting a free meal, when that is like spit in the ocean compared to the corporate welfare being dolled out year after year. Holy crap!

a) you don't have to go broke paying for healthcare, my private health insurance plan for the ENTIRE FAMILY runs around $400 a month.

b) you don't have to have a college degree to make money, I dropped out and do pretty well for myself.

c) the american dream is about making it, doing it FOR YOURSELF, not taking from those who have done it FOR THEMSELVES.

[RedMacGregor]

oh, and as a disclaimer, I don't have a problem with giving out a free meal, I do so regularly down at the homeless shelter with the BBQ team I run cooking up a big mess of BBQ for their dinner. FREE.

but it's my choice, nobody took a dime from me, i give it of my own volition

[sgreger1]

It's very depressing when you drag yourself everyday to job that is not fulfilling, knowing if you quit, you may not even find another one, and risk losing it all and have to panhandle and live under a bridge. The American dream?

I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to get an affordable education so you could in turn get a well paying job that you enjoy? Wouldn't it also be nice to not have to worry about your healthcare or getting sick and not finding insurance? Are these these right wing ideals? Hell no!

Anybody who works for a living, makes less than $250,000, and votes Republican is either seriously misinformed, a religious fanatic, mentally ill, or all of the above.

People are sooooo worried about someone getting a free meal, when that is like spit in the ocean compared to the corporate welfare being dolled out year after year. Holy crap!

Not that this thread has anythign to do with healthcare, but I think you generalize too much when you make your assumptions about dem/republicans.

No one believes you should go bankrupt getting healthcare. No one is that stupid, and we all have healthcare bills, that would serve nobody. I pay 200$ a month for a family of 3, but I realize not everyone has this benefit.

The debate is about how to go about changing it. The republicans sat on their asses worrying about nothing other than the war for 8 years, and did nothing to reform healthcare. This is a -1 for them. However, while the dems do get credit for at least broaching the subject, and bringing reform to the table, the way they want to execute it is almost worse than doing nothing.


Why these overly complicated plans from the dems? Why can't they all agree to vote on something unless people get paid off? I mean they have the majority, this is their turn, and they are failing to use it. While it's stupid for the republicans to just vote no on every piece of legislation all year, at least they are united in their cause; something democrats have failed at thus far.

Why with cap and trade must it be some elaborate incentive scheme and tax system, why not just tax the big polluters? Why in healthcare can't they just have a single payer system or something simpler than this clusterfark of a bill they have now?



Your analogy about "if you vote republican and... than you are stupid" isn't completely true. If you are gay, poor, like your job, like your health insurance, are anti-war, don't like your civil liberties being taken away etc and vote for the democrats I could say you are stupid, because Obama has let you down on all of those avenues.

With dem/republicans, it's like being in 1930's Germany, where one party wants to burn the dissidents, and the other wants to shoot them. The result is death either way.

Anyone who finds any comfort in either of the two prevailing political parties is either seriousely mislead or just uninformed.

[RobsanX]

It's very depressing when you drag yourself everyday to job that is not fulfilling, knowing if you quit, you may not even find another one, and risk losing it all and have to panhandle and live under a bridge. The American dream?

I agree. Wouldn't it be nice to get an affordable education so you could in turn get a well paying job that you enjoy? Wouldn't it also be nice to not have to worry about your healthcare or getting sick and not finding insurance? Are these these right wing ideals? Hell no!

Anybody who works for a living, makes less than $250,000, and votes Republican is either seriously misinformed, a religious fanatic, mentally ill, or all of the above.

People are sooooo worried about someone getting a free meal, when that is like spit in the ocean compared to the corporate welfare being dolled out year after year. Holy crap!

a) you don't have to go broke paying for healthcare, my private health insurance plan for the ENTIRE FAMILY runs around $400 a month.

b) you don't have to have a college degree to make money, I dropped out and do pretty well for myself.

c) the american dream is about making it, doing it FOR YOURSELF, not taking from those who have done it FOR THEMSELVES.

They are taking from you. The Federal government alone spends $125 bil/year on corporate subsidies. Throw on top of that local and state tax incentives, free land, free utilities, etc. Who do you think pays for that? They are taking it from you, and giving it to the corporations.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't work hard, pay their fair share, and try to get ahead. That's what I'm doing too. But I don't believe that anyone should drag themselves to a depressing, uninspiring workaday job just so they can get the healthcare. That's messed up, and is no quality of life. I suppose it's ok for them since they've kept the fags out of the Army. Oh wait, they're getting rid of that rule too! LOL!

Some people are just so freakin one sided. They always have this story about something they saw, or someone they know, and that one thing guides their whole outlook. So what! It's time to stop taking sides and start looking at ways to fix this country. It needs it!

[sgreger1]

They are taking from you. The Federal government alone spends $125 bil/year on corporate subsidies. Throw on top of that local and state tax incentives, free land, free utilities, etc. Who do you think pays for that? They are taking it from you, and giving it to the corporations.

Your absolutely right, it is outright corporate welfare and theft. That being said, I feel it is pretty one sided to blame this practice all on the republicans. I notice democrats like to blame everything on Bush but don't even take credit for the years they have spent having a majority in congress, which is really the ones making the rules. This corporate bs has been going on for some time, regardless of whether republicans or democrats were in power.

On the other side, corporations do create most of the jobs, which is probably why Obama has decided to take from us yet again to bring a new era of massive corporate welfare via bailouts. This is what I mean, it's not just republicans, it is both parties doing the same thing, do not think that democrats do not engage in the same raping/pilaging that the republicans to.

I'm not saying that people shouldn't work hard, pay their fair share, and try to get ahead. That's what I'm doing too. But I don't believe that anyone should drag themselves to a depressing, uninspiring workaday job just so they can get the healthcare.

How else would one be able to purchase healthcare and keep the healthcare industry going, keeping hospitals open and Dr's/nursesd paid? We all need to pay our fair share, but I do agree with you that the cost is too high for some people and that needs to be reformed.

I suppose it's ok for them since they've kept the fags out of the Army. Oh wait, they're getting rid of that rule too! LOL!

Lol, this is just mroe lip service Obama gave the GLBT community after they started publicly declaring their loos of support for him. Defense Sec Gates says they will take 1 year to evaluate what to do, then after that they will see how it goes. This is another one of those open ended promises that will lead to broken dreams. Just like when Obama said in the SOTU speech that he wanted to support nuclear disarmament across the globe and then in the same week decided to up the budget for creating nukes. Or as another example, how he said he would close guantanamo bay in a year, which now seems like it will probably take his whole term if not longer. This is all just lip service by the same corporate controlled puppets that we have always elected.

Some people are just so freakin one sided. They always have this story about something they saw, or someone they know, and that one thing guides their whole outlook. So what! It's time to stop taking sides and start looking at ways to fix this country. It needs it!

And you think your claim that republicans =bad, dems=perfect is not one sided? Your claim that republicans are single handedly responsible for corporate welfare and the general climate of class warfare that exists today? Surely I read that wrong.

[RobsanX]

...

Thanks for the reply! One thing the Republicans have going for them is their ability to close ranks, and either push something through, or shut it down.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about civil liberties. I don't feel any less free than I did a year ago.

I agree that global warming and anything associated with it is utter BS.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I have nothing against rich people, but I don't cry in my milk when they're told to pay their share. I may lean left, but I always take each issue as they come.

I could go on, but I have to go cook dinner now. And yes it will be made from red meat! LOL!

[RedMacGregor]

as a 35% tax bracket participant this year, I'm painfully aware what is being taken from me..

and i'm fairly insulted by the current prevailing party's statement that I'm not giving my fair share, and I need to give more.

[sgreger1]

Thanks for the reply! One thing the Republicans have going for them is their ability to close ranks, and either push something through, or shut it down.

Unfortunately it is their only strength at the moment, and they may actually win the next 2 elections depending on how things go. While I don't like Obama or any of the dems in congress, I must admit that if the republicans get back in they will provide us with another 8 years of mediocre policies, mainyl directed at defense, and will probably gloat about their win for the next 50 years.

I'm not sure what you're referring to about civil liberties. I don't feel any less free than I did a year ago.

This admin has decided to renew the patriot act as opposed to letting it expire. I blame Bush for this draconian piece of legislation, but this is Obama's admin now and he had the chance to make it right. Other than that, we are equally as not free as 2008.

I agree with a lot of what you say. I have nothing against rich people, but I don't cry in my milk when they're told to pay their share. I may lean left, but I always take each issue as they come.

I totally agree. It's kind of unfair to say they don't pay their fair share since they actually shoulder the highest tax burden and already pay significantly more than lower income people, while at the same time not being elegible for the programs that these taxes fund because their income level is too high.
My issue is that the more we tax the rich or companies, the more they tend to dissapear out of state or overseas, which can have bad side effects. And the definition of "rich" needs to be clear, because under Obama, a married couple making $250k is rich. Living in northern california, someone who makes 100k like my mother cannot even afford a 2 bedroom house, she is confined to an apartment and driving a leased saturn. I think these numbers should be adjusted by area to account for cost of living.

I could go on, but I have to go cook dinner now. And yes it will be made from red meat! LOL!

... no dinner for us? Red meat is for the rich, please send me 55% of that read meat before the April 15th deadline to avoid penalties

[sgreger1]

as a 35% tax bracket participant this year, I'm painfully aware what is being taken from me..

and i'm fairly insulted by the current prevailing party's statement that I'm not giving my fair share, and I need to give more.

35%?

All your base are belong to us, evil rich capitalist!

[RedMacGregor]

a bit over a year ago, i started a company instead of being a corporate whore.

work harder, they'll just take more.

that's what i learned.

[sgreger1]

a bit over a year ago, i started a company instead of being a corporate whore.

work harder, they'll just take more.

that's what i learned.

Yah my dad was self employed. If you wont be a whore for the corporate world, than you are allowed the luxury of being "self employed", which basically means having a different pimp.

[RedMacGregor]

funny thing is... i don't feel "rich" at all... i got a payroll to meet, have a balance on a credit card this month, car payment, house payment.. my kid goes to public school..

at this rate, i may retire at 65, if i'm lucky.

but that's OK dems, you feel free to vote to take more out of my pocket. sooner or later, i'll get fed up and go elsewhere with my business. Maybe set up the corp in a nice tax shelter country somewhere.