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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #1

    Do you support world government?

    Would the world be better off if there were not seperate states, but instead all nations recognized as one entity under the leadership of a central government?


    "For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller
    family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working
    against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a
    more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
    -David Rochefller


    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been
    enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices
    of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed."
    -Abraham Lincoln


    "The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation."
    - John F. Hylan, Mayor of New York, Mayor, 1918-1925


    I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of
    credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands
    of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in
    the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the
    majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men. - Woodrow Wilson after signing the Federal Reserve Act.

    "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and
    manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive,
    that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
    - Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (1913)


    "The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the
    large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson."
    - U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House


    National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a New World Order.
    -Adolph Hitler


    "It is the system of nationalist individualism that has to go....We are living in the end of the sovereign states....In the great struggle to evoke a Westernized
    World Socialism, contemporary governments may vanish....Countless people...will hate the New World Order....and will die protesting against it."
    - H.G. Wells, in his book, The New World Order, 1940


    "I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insidious forces working from within."
    - General Douglas MacArthur



    "We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
    -James Warburg, In the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Feb 17, 1950.


    "The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making
    the United States a member of a World Government."
    - American Mercury Magazine, December 1957, (p. 92)

    "I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them over the last 49 years, they would move on Washington; they would not wait
    for an election....It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States!"
    - George W. Malone, U.S. Senator (Nevada), speaking before Congress, 1957



    "The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political
    government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power--Political,
    Monetary, Intellectual, and Ecclesiastical."
    - U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, his book No Apologies, 1964


    "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a One-World Government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control....
    Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
    - Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets.


    "We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent."
    -James Warburg, In the Senate Foreign Relations Committ

    "The threat of environmental crisis will be the 'international disaster key' that will unlock the New World Order."
    -Mikhail Gorbachev


    "The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and national independence and submergence
    into an all powerful, One World Government."
    - Admiral Chester Ward, former CFR member and Judge Advocate General of the U.S. Navy


    "Let us face reality. The framers have simply been too shrewd for us. They have outwitted us. They designed separate institutions that cannot be unified by
    mechanical linkages, frail bridges, or tinkering. If we are to turn the founders upside down. we must directly confront the Constitutional structure they erected."
    - James MacGregor Burns, Council on Foreign Relations member, 1984



    "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance."
    -George HW Bush

    "... what is at stake, is more than one small country. It is a big idea. A New World Order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the
    universal aspirations of mankind: peace, and security, freedom, and the rule of law ... [The war in Iraq is] a rare opportunity to move toward an historic period
    of cooperation. Out of these troubled times, ... our fifth objective, - a New World Order, can emerge: a new era, freer from the threat of terror, stronger in the
    pursuit of justice, and more secure in the quest for peace ... Now we can see a new world coming into view, a world in which there is a very real prospect of a New
    World Order. ... We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders."
    -George HW Bush

    "In the next century, nations as we know them will be obsolete; all states will recognize a single, Global Authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great idea after all."
    - Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, Time Magazine, July 20th, l992


    "We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected
    their promises of discretion for almost forty years.
    It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is
    more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable
    to the national autodetermination practiced in past."
    -David Rockefeller.


    "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will except the New World Order."
    -David Rockefeller







    In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

    George Orwell
  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    #2
    I did not include the following quote, as it is fake, but is often used in discussions such as this:


    "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks
    and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
    -Thomas Jefferson 1816

    http://www.snopes.com/quotes/jefferson/banks.asp

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    • Mordred
      Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 342

      #3
      A world government is doomed to fail. It would have to represent the entire population of the planet and all their interests. For obvious reasons, if it tried, it would be as conflicted internally, as the nations are nowadays. And if it didn't represent the whole population, it would simply be a new kind of UN with the more powerful nations able to block anything they dislike.

      On a more philosophical level, we'd be living in a world of compromises even more than we already are. I don't want that. I want mankind to advance through competition, not become homogenous and stagnant.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        But, Mordred, did I mention that bacon will be surved for free in a one world government? FREE as in beer...


        How do you feel about it now?

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        • Monkey
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 3290

          #5
          I don't often get in the political threads, but I do want to state my opinion on this.

          There will never be a global government until there is an external threat to the earth that is larger than all of the agendas of the nations, and is a continuing threat,forcing cooperation and single leadership throughout the crisis.

          Aliens, man. Aliens.

          That is all.

          Mike

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          • sgreger1
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            Over the centuries many people have tried to take over the world and lead a global empire, all of which failed (for the most part). I doubt people are any different today, and surely there are those well funded enough to be able to at least give it a try.

            And Monkey, you are correct, I don't think all the nations could ever work together untill the threat is from outside. We are in a constant state of crisis, with a constant "threat" from some other country or group.. so only when the external threat is from somewhere else (like aliens) that we will all put our differences aside and fight united. Even then we probably wouldn't work together lol

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            • texasmade
              Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 4159

              #7
              they would have to put down a MAJOR WORLDWIDE revolt. and that wont be easy

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              • Monkey
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 3290

                #8
                Originally posted by sgreger1
                I don't think all the nations could ever work together untill the threat is from outside. We are in a constant state of crisis, with a constant "threat" from some other country or group.. so only when the external threat is from somewhere else (like aliens) that we will all put our differences aside and fight united. Even then we probably wouldn't work together lol
                Yep. But most would see it as a temporary thing and hold old alliances. It would take many generations of this to even be accepted by people.

                You accept what you are born into easier than what you are forced into.

                Mike

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                • spirit72
                  Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 1013

                  #9
                  I gotta vote 'no'.

                  Every now and again, someone or some high-minded group floats this idea. Some have actually tried it. They fail invariably, and it doesn't usually end well(e.g. WWII).

                  Washington can barely govern the U.S. these days. The elites in Europe and the U.S. can dream whatever they want to dream, but what makes them think that they or the UN could establish a global government that anyone would take seriously for more than a minute or two?

                  Effective government happens from the bottom up, not the top down. The U.S. proved that to the world once, but the U.S. has forgotten that.

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                  • RRK
                    Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 926

                    #10
                    I think there is a conflict between the title and the poll. I would not support it but I do think it will probably happen.

                    Also, I don't think a lot of the problems listed here would really apply to my vision of what will happen. The groups that seek global power know that military take over on a large scale is impossible. I think the countries would remain separated and ruled individually but there would be an overriding authority. For example you would pay local, state, federal, and world taxes. The world government wouldn't care about the small differences in each country as long as they can control currency, trade, energy, military, population... the big stuff. Like a United Nations with real authority or a global EU. They would say it is worth it to have world peace, environmental protection, no world hunger... In practice it might not be that bad for the average citizen but the elite would finally have the power that they crave so desperately. Serfdom is fine if the standard of living is high enough that we can all have 52" flat screens and iPhones right?

                    ... No!

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #11
                      Originally posted by spirit72
                      I gotta vote 'no'.

                      Every now and again, someone or some high-minded group floats this idea. Some have actually tried it. They fail invariably, and it doesn't usually end well(e.g. WWII).

                      Washington can barely govern the U.S. these days. The elites in Europe and the U.S. can dream whatever they want to dream, but what makes them think that they or the UN could establish a global government that anyone would take seriously for more than a minute or two?

                      Effective government happens from the bottom up, not the top down. The U.S. proved that to the world once, but the U.S. has forgotten that.

                      Lol, yah like take the UN for example. What do they do but write letters in all caps and using a bunch of faces to places like Iran and N Korea, but no one takes them seriously. The only reason we even entertain them is because we are the ones who run it, otherwise we would blow off the UN and their (lol) "sanctions" like the rest of the world does.

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                      • sgreger1
                        Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 9451

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RRK
                        I think there is a conflict between the title and the poll. I would not support it but I do think it will probably happen.

                        Also, I don't think a lot of the problems listed here would really apply to my vision of what will happen. The groups that seek global power know that military take over on a large scale is impossible. I think the countries would remain separated and ruled individually but there would be an overriding authority. For example you would pay local, state, federal, and world taxes. The world government wouldn't care about the small differences in each country as long as they can control currency, trade, energy, military, population... the big stuff. Like a United Nations with real authority or a global EU. They would say it is worth it to have world peace, environmental protection, no world hunger... In practice it might not be that bad for the average citizen but the elite would finally have the power that they crave so desperately. Serfdom is fine if the standard of living is high enough that we can all have 52" flat screens and iPhones right?

                        ... No!

                        Sorry for the conflict but we are both talking about the same thing. It seems to me that the banks and other players have for some time realized that slavery will never work, and Hitler's failed attempt at world domination proved that no military can pull it off. They have to do something new this time, which would be them taking over economies and countries by getting them in debt, then making the whole world into a global EU type deal where the people at the top don't have to get elected but are instead appointed.

                        I don't care how you spin it, there is no good that could come from a small group of people having that level of power and control over the world. Then again they probably already have it and we just don't know.

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                        • RRK
                          Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 926

                          #13
                          Yep.

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                          • tom502
                            Member
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 8985

                            #14
                            Hitler never wanted to rule the world, now Obama... that's another story.

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                            • sgreger1
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9451

                              #15
                              Originally posted by tom502
                              Hitler never wanted to rule the world, now Obama... that's another story.
                              \




                              I used to think Obama was an evil supervillian but now that i've had a chance to look at him, he is just a very inexperienced ego maniac who enjoys applause more than anything and loves to get attention. His mistakes have all been rookie mistakes and most of his ideas are very naive, just like Carter. But I don't think it's because he's a bad guy, he's just in it for the wrong reasons. He wants to be popular. When his poll numbers eventually slip down to the 20's like bush near the end of the term I bet he is going to take it real hard since he is such an egomaniac.

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