Guy pissed at the IRS

[sgreger1]

So I take it everyone's probably heard about what happened in Austin with that guy who set fire to his house then flew his plane into an IRS building.

I know we have a lot of anti-government types here but I think we can all agree that was the wrong course of action to take, as those are people with families who could have died in that building. (speaking of families, why did he burn down his house when he ad a wife and kid?)

But I was wondering, did anyone else read his "manifesto"/suicide note?
Lol, I think we are going to start seeing a lot more events like this if the economy doesn't pick up soon. At least it's not like the depression where people where throwing themselves out of windows after losing their fortune.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ash/index.html

[Monkey]

I owe a considerable amount this year, but I would NEVER do something like that. It is redonkulus.

Skipping the country while owing a buttload of cash...that I'd do.

Mike

[sgreger1]

I owe a considerable amount this year, but I would NEVER do something like that. It is redonkulus.

Skipping the country while owing a buttload of cash...that I'd do.

Mike

Lol, I got lucky this year and got a sizeable return, mainly because I had a kid and didn't report my mariage or child all year and took 0 exemptions, so they owed me money.

I hate the IRS as much as the next man but what this guy did was just stupid. But reading his suicide note did leave me feeling kinda bad for the guy. It was a snapshot of what happens when life gets tough.

[spirit72]

I wonder if he'd considered selling the plane and then settling up with the IRS?

:shock:

Apparently not.

Either way, I understand completely where the guy is coming from. And frankly, some of what he had to say made sense.

But this accomplished what, exactly? Nothing. A wife without a husband, a child without a father, both of them without a home, and you can bet that the U.S. tax code will remain every bit as bizarre as it is now.

[lxskllr]

But this accomplished what, exactly? Nothing. A wife without a husband, a child without a father, both of them without a home, and you can bet that the U.S. tax code will remain every bit as bizarre as it is now.

Of course, if enough people did that....

[Bigblue1]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

So I take it everyone's probably heard about what happened in Austin with that guy who set fire to his house then flew his plane into an IRS building.

I know we have a lot of anti-government types here but I think we can all agree that was the wrong course of action to take, as those are people with families who could have died in that building. (speaking of families, why did he burn down his house when he ad a wife and kid?)

But I was wondering, did anyone else read his "manifesto"/suicide note?
Lol, I think we are going to start seeing a lot more events like this if the economy doesn't pick up soon. At least it's not like the depression where people where throwing themselves out of windows after losing their fortune.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ash/index.html

Sgreger remember that their was no unemployment insurance during the great depression. Also most households at that time only had one income. And nobody had plastics cards in their possession they could float on. These are just a few reasons why we haven't seen the "despair' as of yet.

[RobsanX]

I guess I don't understand people who love money that much. If the guy could afford his own airplane then how bad off could he really be?

I'm not going to try to rationalize this because the guy was obviously completely off his rocker.

Being from Oklahoma, I've witnessed firsthand the pain and suffering that these anti-government nutjobs can cause. The people they hurt and kill are just people working office jobs trying to make ends meet.

What's the point? They say violence is the only answer, but they are worse than terrorists. They are traitorous terrorists. They can all go rot in hell as far as I'm concerned.

[sgreger1]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

So I take it everyone's probably heard about what happened in Austin with that guy who set fire to his house then flew his plane into an IRS building.

I know we have a lot of anti-government types here but I think we can all agree that was the wrong course of action to take, as those are people with families who could have died in that building. (speaking of families, why did he burn down his house when he ad a wife and kid?)

But I was wondering, did anyone else read his "manifesto"/suicide note?
Lol, I think we are going to start seeing a lot more events like this if the economy doesn't pick up soon. At least it's not like the depression where people where throwing themselves out of windows after losing their fortune.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ash/index.html

Sgreger remember that their was no unemployment insurance during the great depression. Also most households at that time only had one income. And nobody had plastics cards in their possession they could float on. These are just a few reasons why we haven't seen the "despair' as of yet.

True, but some of those things don't add up to 100%. Like for example there were a lot more farms and people could still eat, and it didn't take two incomes to stay afloat like it does now. It used to be women could stay home and everyone still had a house and car. Now you need two good paying jobs just to live modestly. And your right, cheap credit always helps make you feel rich even when your poor lol.

[sgreger1]

I wonder if he'd considered selling the plane and then settling up with the IRS?

:shock:

Apparently not.

Either way, I understand completely where the guy is coming from. And frankly, some of what he had to say made sense.

But this accomplished what, exactly? Nothing. A wife without a husband, a child without a father, both of them without a home, and you can bet that the U.S. tax code will remain every bit as bizarre as it is now.

Yah seriously though, wtf, the guy had his own airplane... his tax debt wasn't much either, and he could have sold it to pay for it but then again I don't know his whole story. He was obviously just some crazed disgruntled guy who was upset for having to pay taxes. But yah, I agree with what he said but him killing innocents is, like Robsanx said, a traitorous act of domestic terrorism imo.

[snupy]

The "I don't want to pay tax' nutters are just another example of the welfare mentality. They want the benefits of government, but think everyone but them should pay for it.

[fdknuckles]

I think alot of what the "Homicidal Nutjob" had written in his manifesto/ suicide note made sense. I think the vast majority of gainfully employed individuals feel that the Tax code is beyond inteligible by the average person. The government as a whole, has alienate the citizens it formed to serve, but it is made up of individuals, people with families and problems of their own. If you want to change the system WORK TOWARDS THAT END. Don't take it out on the individuals who work there, trying to provide for their own families and form their own American dream.

P.S.
I don't like paying taxes either, but if I choose to live in this country, drive on these roads, and be defended by the most accomplished military in the world, then I must pay my share.

[fdknuckles]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/02/18/tex...ash/index.html[/quote]

Sgreger remember that their was no unemployment insurance during the great depression. Also most households at that time only had one income. And nobody had plastics cards in their possession they could float on. These are just a few reasons why we haven't seen the "despair' as of yet.[/quote]


True, but some of those things don't add up to 100%. Like for example there were a lot more farms and people could still eat, and it didn't take two incomes to stay afloat like it does now. It used to be women could stay home and everyone still had a house and car. Now you need two good paying jobs just to live modestly. And your right, cheap credit always helps make you feel rich even when your poor lol.[/quote]

I know my wife and I both work, but disagree with your statement saying it takes 2 incomes to stay afloat.
As Americans, we have constantly redefined what lifestyle means (predominantly driven by the media). If we were still content living in the manner of our Grandparents, a single income family would very much be affordable.
The media constantly bombards us with what the "Normal American Life" is. The flat screen TV, with 200+ channels. The brand new $30,000 car loan ( at 0% apr). High speed internet, exotic vacations, parties, steak with every meal, the large home with a manicured garden, eating out several times a week.
America has gotten away from it's lunchpale roots and has become a consumer nation funded by debt, which sooner or later must be paid.

[sgreger1]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

I know my wife and I both work, but disagree with your statement saying it takes 2 incomes to stay afloat.
As Americans, we have constantly redefined what lifestyle means (predominantly driven by the media). If we were still content living in the manner of our Grandparents, a single income family would very much be affordable.
The media constantly bombards us with what the "Normal American Life" is. The flat screen TV, with 200+ channels. The brand new $30,000 car loan ( at 0% apr). High speed internet, exotic vacations, parties, steak with every meal, the large home with a manicured garden, eating out several times a week.
America has gotten away from it's lunchpale roots and has become a consumer nation funded by debt, which sooner or later must be paid.

Your absolutely correct, but I blame a lot of that on the availability of cheap and endless credit. The fact some company is willing to expend 30k$ worth of credit to a 20 year old with bad credit is beyond me. Its predatory lending no matter how you look at it. Then the TV constantly promotes a lavish lifestyle as well.


Then again, I am only 23 and I am the only one working, and my wife, daughter and I live pretty comfortably. So I don't have much room to complain.

[fdknuckles]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

I know my wife and I both work, but disagree with your statement saying it takes 2 incomes to stay afloat.
As Americans, we have constantly redefined what lifestyle means (predominantly driven by the media). If we were still content living in the manner of our Grandparents, a single income family would very much be affordable.
The media constantly bombards us with what the "Normal American Life" is. The flat screen TV, with 200+ channels. The brand new $30,000 car loan ( at 0% apr). High speed internet, exotic vacations, parties, steak with every meal, the large home with a manicured garden, eating out several times a week.
America has gotten away from it's lunchpale roots and has become a consumer nation funded by debt, which sooner or later must be paid.

Your absolutely correct, but I blame a lot of that on the availability of cheap and endless credit. The fact some company is willing to expend 30k$ worth of credit to a 20 year old with bad credit is beyond me. Its predatory lending no matter how you look at it. Then the TV constantly promotes a lavish lifestyle as well.


Then again, I am only 23 and I am the only one working, and my wife, daughter and I live pretty comfortably. So I don't have much room to complain.

I understand why companies lend money, to make mony...it's their business. I don't blame them. It the peope who CHOOSE to live above their means that are responsible.
I know I can by a $100k sports car with my credit. I also realize I can't afford it. If you sign on the dotted line, you are responsible for the debt. If you can't pay it back, then your credit is ruined for "x" number of years, but the credit company is out the money. The problem is our governments reluctance to allow a credit company be responsible for it's own poor business practices and go out of business. Instead the govt, bails them out, allowing them to repeat the cycle. You and I, tax paying citizens are bailing out credit companies through the govt, artificially condonning the pratice of subpar credit loans.

JMO.

[sgreger1]

Re: Guy pissed at the IRS

I understand why companies lend money, to make mony...it's their business. I don't blame them. It the peope who CHOOSE to live above their means that are responsible.
I know I can by a $100k sports car with my credit. I also realize I can't afford it. If you sign on the dotted line, you are responsible for the debt. If you can't pay it back, then your credit is ruined for "x" number of years, but the credit company is out the money. The problem is our governments reluctance to allow a credit company be responsible for it's own poor business practices and go out of business. Instead the govt, bails them out, allowing them to repeat the cycle. You and I, tax paying citizens are bailing out credit companies through the govt, artificially condonning the pratice of subpar credit loans.

JMO.

This is what i've been saying all along. I have no problem with a free market, and if they want to sell a product to make money that fine. If morons will get 30k in credit card debt when they work for minimum wage, their fault. The disconnect comes in when these companies fail, and instead of fading into the night with their crappy business model like they should be, the government comes in and gives them my money, then tells me it created millions jobs with it. Meanwhile, my co-workers are dropping like flies due to layoffs and the CEO's of these crappy companies get multi-million dollar bonuses.

Then, to add insult to injury, the democrats declare that capitalism has failed us. When capitalism only played half the role there, it was when the government used my money to keep the open sign lit on these companies with shady business models that the failure occurred. Therefore the market never corrects itself and the cycle begins again.

This is why I no longer buy into the two party system. The republicans come in and waste all of our money, then the democrats get elected to change our policies, yet they do more of the same and waste EVEN MORE money somehow, so inevitably the republicans will gain control again and the cycle continues.