Obamacare

[texasmade]

I'm not gonna read through all 10 pages of this thread, I'm sure it's amusing, but none the less, hear are my feelings:

I've always been a crazy non meat eating, left wing, punk rock liberal. I voted for Obama because hell, we just spent 8 years under stupidity. This health care is not universal. All this does is make middle class working citizens pay more, and hate more, universal health care. If they were to do it correctly like other countries, people wouldn't mind paying higher taxes. Now we're gonna pay more and not get shit. I think I'm just gonna skip the vote booth next time.

Ron Paul

[sgreger1]

Obama's extremist pal declares 'socialism has a future'
Cornel West urges help for 'dear friend' at 'crucial historical moment'

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Posted: March 25, 2010
2:57 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A personal friend and recent adviser to President Obama addressed a socialist conference at which he declared "socialism has a future" while urging participants to help Obama.

Cornel West, an extremist race-relations instructor at Princeton, addressed the 10th annual Young Democratic Socialists conference earlier this month. The three-day event took place at Norman Thomas High School in Manhattan, named after an American socialist activist.

The meeting, entitled "Real change for a change," described itself as a "snap shot of the current socialist movement in the United States."

During a lengthy address available on YouTube, West declared "socialism has a future."

He stated, "We are at a very crucial historical moment. My dear friend Barack Obama, he needs help. He needs deep help. He needs pressure. Organized, mobilized pressure."

West went on to urge the crowd not to rely on "messiahs" or "leaders," instead explaining the mantel for ushering socialist change into the country "falls onto us."

Obama named West, whom he has called a personal friend, to the Black Advisory Council of his presidential campaign. West was a key point man between Obama's campaign and the black community.

West served as an adviser on Louis Farrakhan's Million Man March and is a self-described personal friend of the Nation of Islam leader. West authored two books on race with Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates Jr, who was at the center of a recent controversy in which Obama criticized Gates' treatment by police outside his home after a report of a burglary.

'Racist American empire'

It was West who introduced Obama at a 2007 Harlem fundraiser attended by about 1,500 people that served as Obama's first foray into Harlem after announcing his Democratic presidential candidacy.

WND reported West introduced Obama on stage at the fundraiser after first railing against the "racist" criminal-justice system of the "American empire."

A scan of YouTube clips found West introducing Obama at the fundraiser while stating the "American empire is in such a deep crisis" and slamming the "racist criminal-justice system" and "disgraceful schools in our city."

"He is my brother and my companion and comrade," said West of Obama.

WND found a video that shows Obama taking the stage just after West's introduction, expressing his gratitude to West, calling him "not only a genius, a public intellectual, a preacher, an oracle ... he's also a loving person."

Obama asked the audience for a round of applause for West.

From a young age, West proclaimed he admired "the sincere black militancy of Malcolm X, the defiant rage of the Black Panther Party … and the livid black (liberation) theology of James Cone."

Cone's theology spawned Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's controversial pastor for 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ. West was a strong defender of Wright when the pastor's extreme remarks became national news during the presidential campaign.

In 1995, West signed a letter published as an ad in the New York Times that voiced support for cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal, a former Black Panther.

In 2002, West further signed a "Statement of Conscience" crafted by Not In Our Name, a project of C. Clark Kissinger's Revolutionary Communist Party. He then endorsed the World Can't Wait campaign, a Revolutionary Communist Party project seeking to organize "people living in the United States to take responsibility to stop the whole disastrous course led by the Bush administration."

After branding the U.S. a "racist patriarchal" nation in his book "Race Matters," West wrote, "White America has been historically weak-willed in ensuring racial justice and has continued to resist fully accepting the humanity of blacks."

Also in that book, West claimed the 9/11 attacks gave white Americans a glimpse of what it means to be a black person in the U.S. – feeling "unsafe, unprotected, subject to random violence and hatred" for who they are.

"Since 9/11," West wrote, "the whole nation has the blues, when before it was just black people."

With additional research by Brenda J. Elliott'

THIS is exactly what I mean. Obama surrounds himselves with ex commies or current socialist and has for years, and people wonder why others are afraid this may mean something. If it looks like a duck..

[texasmade]

I seriously thought i ended this thread and fixed the problem.

[tom502]

Racist commies at that.

[sgreger1]

Yes Obama surrounds himself with racists too, which is why I don't get where snupy is coming from when he tries to justify their racism.

If a president filled his cabinet with KKK members people would take issue with that.

[Roo]

^ lol you're really getting the seat nice and warm for snupy aren't you? He needs to get in here so I can have some more reading material today. (kidding, I don't rely solely on snuson politics for entertainment. maybe I'll do some work today)

[texasmade]

maybe I'll do some work today

BLASPHEMY!

[justintempler]

Obama's extremist pal declares 'socialism has a future'
Cornel West urges help for 'dear friend' at 'crucial historical moment'

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Posted: March 25, 2010
2:57 pm Eastern

By Aaron Klein
© 2010 WorldNetDaily

A personal friend and recent adviser to President Obama ...

THIS is exactly what I mean. Obama surrounds himselves with ex commies or current socialist and has for years, and people wonder why others are afraid this may mean something. If it looks like a duck..

World Net Daily? Seriously?

I feel sorry for some of you people, I'll leave it at that.

[sgreger1]

While your right about world nut daily, it doesn't change the fact that what they are saying is true.


Are you claiming the cabinet is not filled with admited commies and racists, anti-america types etc?

[justintempler]

While your right about world nut daily, it doesn't change the fact that what they are saying is true.


Are you claiming the cabinet is not filled with admited commies and racists, anti-america types etc?

...I feel sorry for some of you people, I'll leave it at that.

:wink:

[sgreger1]

Lol, I don't like arguing with you anyways, you usually win and it pisses me off.


But on this one I am right : )

[WickedKitchen]

Not that this thread needed to be bumped but I just got word yesterday that my health insurance is going up 13% this year.

Yeah! Now I get to pay $17,532.00 this year alone in PREMIUMS.

There was another option that was $1,200 less per year, but with that one I'd only be covered for 5 days if something major happened. WTF? I, also, did have the option of a HSA but w/ a 4 & 6 year old and a hypochondriac wife that doesn't work for me. This just plain stinks on ice.

[truthwolf1]

Not that this thread needed to be bumped but I just got word yesterday that my health insurance is going up 13% this year.

Yeah! Now I get to pay $17,532.00 this year alone in PREMIUMS.

There was another option that was $1,200 less per year, but with that one I'd only be covered for 5 days if something major happened. WTF? I, also, did have the option of a HSA but w/ a 4 & 6 year old and a hypochondriac wife that doesn't work for me. This just plain stinks on ice.

Yes, it will continually go up until it is about 1/4 of your paycheck. Not including the 2000-10000 deductable which seriously does exist now. My family of three was looking into a insurance plan recently that was very affordable $200 dollars but with the 10,000.. catch.

I think states like mine where most of the people are covered the rates are higher then normal and the working class is taking the shaft!

[Liandri]

I dunno where you all get your health care from. I pay 1560 a year for myself, wife, and daughter. Medical, and eye. Dental is 11 bucks every bi-weekly check with a 3000 maximum per person for the year. Eye glasses and pills are 20 dollar deductible. I pay more for car insurance of us 3 then I pay for personal health insurance. And I haven't personally used it but my wife has certainly had her problems, think maybe one time they wouldn't cover something but all that needed was a phone call and a few nice choice words to settle that.

[WickedKitchen]

I get mine through my job. They kick in $350 each month to boot. It's a policy out of PA. If I went on the open market in MA it would be about the same and this one is offered. I think it's because of the size of the company. we're only about 200 and with that less than half of us take the insurance so it's a small number to insure.

It's great coverage though. I mean they cover everything (except small co-pays) and never give a hassle and there's something to be said about that but man, the amount they take every two weeks is sickening.