This is where PACT like taxes end up...

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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    This is where PACT like taxes end up...

    Alcohol went through a similar phase at some point in it's career as pact. They decided to tax alcohol and make sure every penny of it was collected. Only about 50cents in additional tax so most people didn't complain. But as we all know, the looters are always looking for new ways to loot.

    Here in my homestate of California, the Alcohol nazi's are on the march again. This time they are advocating a 2,700% -12775% increase in alcohol taxes.

    They allege that alcohol costs us $38.4 billion a year. $8.3 billion of this comes from additional medical, legal and prosecutorial costs, while the sale of alcohol brings in only $1 billion annually.
    Their solution is a 2700% increase in the excise tax for hard liquor (from $0.65 per 750 mL bottle to $17.57), a 5500% increase for beer (from $0.11 per six-pack to $6.08) and a whopping 12775% increase for wine (from $0.04 per 750 mL bottle to $5.11). The increased funding ($7 to $9 billion) would be funneled into the Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs (Read as, a general fund that will be wasted in one way or another, likely to protect some endangered goldfish somewhere.)



    This is how it happens, they say "x costs us too much money in healthcare etc, so lets put a modest tax of a few cents on it", then one day they realize that's not enough, and suddenly your .50 cent tax is a 12$ tax. Next up is Soda's and sugary drinks. And don't you for a second think they won' get smart and start doing the same thing if snus becomes popular. The cig lobby has it's roots in deep so they are protected, but if snus becomes a popular alternative to smoking in the US, some desk weenie will come out with some report that snus costs us a trillion$ a year in health care costs and therefore we must add a 5$ per can tax to offset the cost. Initiatives like PACT are just the precursers that set up the infrastructure to make sure they get every last red cent of tax that's owed to them, the tax raises will come at a later time.


    How do they expect us to live???


    http://blogs.ocweekly.com/stickafork...raise-alcohol/

    (Keep in mind this proposition is still in the signature gathering process and I am nearly 100% sure it won't pass, but it's the fact that they would even bring something like this to the table. Someday they will be able to pass it once they have convinced us that it adds a significant burden ot the health care system)
  • RedMacGregor
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 554

    #2
    personally i make my own beer, wine, and mead (honey wine)

    keep the beer on tap at home with a 2 tap kegerator.

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    • Premium Parrots
      Super Moderators
      • Feb 2008
      • 9758

      #3
      kill me now
      Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of the people I killed because they were annoying......





      I've been wrong lots of times.  Lots of times I've thought I was wrong only to find out that I was right in the beginning.


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      • lxskllr
        Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 13435

        #4
        Re: This is where PACT like taxes end up...

        Originally posted by sgreger1
        (Keep in mind this proposition is still in the signature gathering process and I am nearly 100% sure it won't pass, but it's the fact that they would even bring something like this to the table. Someday they will be able to pass it once they have convinced us that it adds a significant burden ot the health care system)
        It'll fail this time, but you wait. The next time it goes through, it'll /only/ be a 1,000% increase. That'll be such a good deal compared to this proposition, that it'll sail on through :^D

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Re: This is where PACT like taxes end up...

          Originally posted by lxskllr
          Originally posted by sgreger1
          (Keep in mind this proposition is still in the signature gathering process and I am nearly 100% sure it won't pass, but it's the fact that they would even bring something like this to the table. Someday they will be able to pass it once they have convinced us that it adds a significant burden ot the health care system)
          It'll fail this time, but you wait. The next time it goes through, it'll /only/ be a 1,000% increase. That'll be such a good deal compared to this proposition, that it'll sail on through :^D
          It's so true though. They sell you on how they need to tax something to fix some problem. Then they say theres not enough money to fix the problem so must raise the tax. Then as government spend more money and fixing the problem becomes more expensive, they start really laying it on. I mean can you even believe someone had the balls to propose "let's raise this tax by 12,775%".


          I hope snus stays a forieng secret. I don't even want it on the USDM anymore. Everything we touch here turns to salt. Would rather sneak it in from a foriegn country than buy it here.

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          • sgreger1
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            Originally posted by RedMacGregor
            personally i make my own beer, wine, and mead (honey wine)

            keep the beer on tap at home with a 2 tap kegerator.

            I assume you brought enough to share with the class?

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            • justintempler
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 3090

              #7
              There are always going to be idiots in a democracy

              Here's the doc:
              http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/ini...ve_10-0005.pdf

              These people don't have a clue about cause and effect.

              Alcohol is just the drug of choice and making alcohol expensive will just force people to turn to a different drug. (I hear cheap heroin is making a comeback) It never addresses the cause of wanting to use a drug in the first place.

              Treating the syptoms of a disease without treating the cause of the disease will always result in failure.

              YouTube Video - ABC News - The New Face of Heroin

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              • Bigblue1
                Banned Users
                • Dec 2008
                • 3923

                #8

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                • Bigblue1
                  Banned Users
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 3923

                  #9
                  Obama signs PACT http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:s1147:

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                  • sgreger1
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #10
                    Originally posted by justintempler
                    (I hear cheap heroin is making a comeback)
                    Lol, you know a guy you'd like to recommend? lololol :lol:

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #11
                      Originally posted by justintempler
                      There are always going to be idiots in a democracy

                      Here's the doc:
                      http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/ini...ve_10-0005.pdf

                      These people don't have a clue about cause and effect.

                      Alcohol is just the drug of choice and making alcohol expensive will just force people to turn to a different drug. (I hear cheap heroin is making a comeback) It never addresses the cause of wanting to use a drug in the first place.

                      Treating the syptoms of a disease without treating the cause of the disease will always result in failure.

                      YouTube Video - ABC News - The New Face of Heroin
                      I think your missing the point justin, I truly don't think they actually care about people drinking or treating the cause of any given disease, i think most of the "do gooders" are really just looking for money imo. What better thing to demonize than things society is already pre-disposed to hate?

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                      • AtreyuKun
                        Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 1223

                        #12
                        Originally posted by RedMacGregor
                        personally i make my own beer, wine, and mead (honey wine)

                        keep the beer on tap at home with a 2 tap kegerator.
                        Wait and see. They'll ****ing make that illegal.
                        So what are we to do? Just get on our knees and say, "BAAAAA!" like a bunch of sheep that've all been bought and paid for?
                        Said it once, and I'll say it again, **** people. I don't care if it's an R or a D. It's all the same damn thing. All these so-called people are scum. Bush, Obama, it doesn't matter. They're ALL walking fecal matter. And you know, they ****ing own all of us. These rich cocksuckers, these corporate sonsabitches have us all by the BALLS. And you know what? Nobody seems to give a goddamn about it either. That's what pisses me off.
                        They're gonna tell you what eat, what to drink, what to put in your mouth, what to wear, and they're gonna start to ****ing tell you what to think. It's time for a goddamn revolution. I'm sick of seeing all this shit. We're gonna tax the water, your sugar, your tobacco, your alchohol, your soda, your car, tax your food, your ****ing air, and everyone will be hunky ****ing dory. "Uh yessir mistah polytishun, yesssir! Yous can tax anythang ya'lls wonts ta!"
                        **** that. Goddamn, if I wasn't married I'd throw the grid off and go live in the dessert on a reservation. I'm sick of playing by their ****ed up rules. I hope 2012 comes and wipes DC off the goddamn map.

                        Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?

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                        • justintempler
                          Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 3090

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sgreger1
                          I think your missing the point justin, ...
                          No, I didn't miss it. I am not trying to establish their real motive.

                          I am saying they are trying to sell a solution that will never work.

                          If it won't work, there's no point in even considering it.

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