Arizona passes law to pimp-slap illegals immegrants

[sgreger1]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE63I6TU20100419

(Reuters) - Arizona lawmakers passed a controversial immigration bill on Monday requiring police in the state that borders Mexico to determine if people are in the United States illegally, a measure critics say is open to racial profiling.

"the toughest measure yet taken by any U.S. state to curb illegal immigration"

"10.8 million illegal immigrants live and work in the shadows"

The law requires state and local police to determine the status of people if there is "reasonable suspicion" that they are illegal immigrants and to arrest people who are unable to provide documentation proving they are in the country legally.

It also makes it a crime to transport someone who is an illegal immigrant and to hire day laborers off the street.

"I believe handcuffs are a wonderful tool when they're on the right people," said Russell Pearce, the Republican state senator who wrote the bill.

We want to "get them off law enforcement and get them on the bad guys," he told Reuters.


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How do you guys feel about this? Is it a good thing they are finally enforcing against illegal immegration, or do you feel like this will just turn into a soviet union style "where are your papers" type deal for anyone who is brown?

I for one think it's sad we have to pass a new law just to enforce a law we already passed years ago.

[sgreger1]

Sheriff: Illegals Are Killing Cops, Violence at 'Epidemic Proportions,' 'We're Overwhelmed, Stressed, Things Are Out of Control'...

Babeu said the violence in Arizona has reached “epidemic proportions” and must be stopped. “In just one patrol area, we’ve had 64 pursuits -- failure to yield for an officer -- in one month,” Babeu said. “That’s out of control.”

[Darwin]

Sure there may some enforcement overreach made possible by such new laws but they are merely a long delayed reaction to how extreme the situation along the border has become. There may indeed be examples of people stopped for DWB (driving while brown), but with the advent of dash-cams in virtually all police cars the opportunities for malfeasance on the part of peace officers should be greatly reduced. Current examples of officers getting nailed because of actions apparent on in car cameras abound and no doubt that has reduced, if not eliminated obviously, official misbehavior.

[tom502]

I support it, but we also need to secure the border. And the racial angle, is from the far left liberal racists who believe brown people do not have to abide by the laws, and that national borders are bad.

[Liandri]

My take on it?

EVERYONE white, black, yellow, brown, orange, etc must provide concrete proof of US citizenship. Selective Service card, Drivers license, birth certificate. If you don't have absolute evidence you're a United States citizen, round them up and send them to their respective country immediately.

[f. bandersnatch]

My great grandparents came here as dirty Irish immigrants that no one wanted around.

Now we have developed into a illustrious Irish/Scandinavian-American brood that everyone still doesn't want around.

I guess the question is: which is worse, racially discriminatory policy or illegal immigration? I tend to be a it of an idealist, so I'm going to go with racially discriminatory policy.

[sgreger1]

My great grandparents came here as dirty Irish immigrants that no one wanted around.

Now we have developed into a illustrious Irish/Scandinavian-American brood that everyone still doesn't want around.

I guess the question is: which is worse, racially discriminatory policy or illegal immigration? I tend to be a it of an idealist, so I'm going to go with racially discriminatory policy.

Yah I tend to go with the law as opposed to criminals. The law says come here legally or don't come here at all. The mexican government understands this well, which is why they actually enforce their immegration laws.

I don't have a problem even so much with illegal immegrants, I have a problem specifically with our southern partners because they are so violent and don't like our country. I mean a high percentage of our jails is filled with murderes and other criminals of illegal hispanic nature, and their drug trafficking is destroying the southern states. They kill cops, kidnap people, they are generally lawless and don't have any care to join the American dream.

Obviousely most immegrants are just here looking for work, but even if only 10% are bad guys, when you have between 10-20 million illegals here, that 10% is a LOT of people, and they are doing some serious damage to our cities.

[f. bandersnatch]

^You are certainly right, something must be done about trafficking violence. My thoughts? Legalize, for god's sake. Stop waging war on millions of abusers, addicts, smugglers, growers, and murderers and just take that industry over.

And I don't think the Mexicans that are damaging our cities for drugs are at any more fault than the Americans damaging our cities for drugs. It is a single drug addled cluster...., not two separate entities that can be stopped by a hermetically sealed boarders.

[sgreger1]

^You are certainly right, something must be done about trafficking violence. My thoughts? Legalize, for god's sake. Stop waging war on millions of abusers, addicts, smugglers, growers, and murderers and just take that industry over.

And I don't think the Mexicans that are damaging our cities for drugs are at any more fault than the Americans damaging our cities for drugs. It is a single drug addled cluster...., not two separate entities that can be stopped by a hermetically sealed boarders.

Yah your right. If we were truly the dirty capitalist pigs we are constantly portrayed as, we would see the dollar signs in this whole drug industry and monopolize it by cutting our foreign competition out and selling it here ourselves.

As for your second argument, I kind of agree. I mean if we didn't buy it, there would be no drug war on our borders right now. But at the same time, I think the ones pulling the triggers are the bad guys here. Sealing the borders won't stop it, unless we warp America into another dimension where drug runners can't get to . Then again, the drug cartels have a lot of money, they could probably hire some scientists to figure out how to get it to another dimension if there was a demand.


Wait, I think I just figured out an excelent plan. Convince the drug cartels that there are aliens across the galaxy that will pay double what Americans pay for some smack. We will have faster than light travel by next thursday.

[lxskllr]

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[RobsanX]

It gives the police too much power to stop law abiding citizens for no real reason. I for one don't carry the documents required to prove my citizenship.

[truthwolf1]

It does not really matter because the cops are not interested in illegals anyways. They like to give tickets out to American citizens because the process is easier and they can make the state some money. More cases then none I have heard from a MPLS. officer that it is easier to give a warning to a illegal then to file a charge.

So, while all the white guilt is being passed around about racial profiling or the hardliners saying damn right! The joke is on it's own citizens who looked like they were illegals and had to be stopped. Kinda like grandma the terrorist scenario.

[sgreger1]

Kinda like grandma the terrorist scenario.

Who needs to worry about grandma the terrorist when we have death panels specifically designed to kill grandma? If you don't believe me, ask Sarah Palin :lol:



I am really really really really against illegal immegration but I am also just as big on not having to show your papers like this is the soviet union. And your right, they can't make money off illegals so they just ticket citizens instead. I say let it happen and see how it turns out, then decide whether to repeal it or not.

But honestly the claim of it being racial profiling is stupid. To try and crack down on illegals without looking at mexicans makes no sense, as they are the largest perpetrator in the southern states.

[tom502]

Well, I don't think they are going to just walk up to anyone and ask for papers, but if they stop a car for running a stop sign, and it's full of Mexicans with bandanas, who can't speak English, then they should ask for papers, or if they see a mob of Mexicans hanging out at the corner Lowes parking lot, they should ask for papers. I mean, reasons to suspect, I think, are reasons to ask.

[Owens187]

My take on it?

EVERYONE white, black, yellow, brown, orange, etc must provide concrete proof of US citizenship. Selective Service card, Drivers license, birth certificate. If you don't have absolute evidence you're a United States citizen, round them up and send them to their respective country immediately.

This.