Repeal Obamacare?

[wa3zrm]

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[tom502]

I vote yes.

I would approve of disolving health insurance, having a health care tax, and health care providers would get a check like the police and fireman, and citizens would get their care "free".

[Darwin]

To change the current situation where commercial companies have control over health care decisions to one where government bureaucrats do the same thing would certainly be a change but it is difficult to imagine it would be an improvement. Just to take one tiny isolated instance consider the FDA's attitude towards smokeless tobacco and their apparent total ignorance of the benefits of Swedish snus. I find it hard to assume that any other federal agency would be any smarter or more informed than that--or less influenced by the politics, and the noisy activist agendas, of the moment.

[shikitohno]

Honestly, I wouldn't care if they repealed it, because for all the press says about how groundbreaking it is, it hardly changes anything. I'm all for universal health care, but that's not what the recent law provides. As far as I can see, it expands both Medicaid and Medicare benefits (but still lives them so that middle class families who make too much to qualify for aid, but too little to afford insurance on their own out in the cold), and makes it illegal to not have health insurance if you don't qualify for the expanded programs.

One of the reasons health care costs so much here is because of how health insurance is run right now. Pharmaceutical companies talk about how drugs are so expensive because they need to gain back R&D costs, but the real reason is they need to make back their advertising budget. Anyone from a country with socialised medicine feel free to correct me here, but from what I understand it would strike people in Britain or Sweden as baffling to see an advertisement on television for a prescription drug. Here in the US, people can walk in, get diagnosed with a condition and say, "Oh, I heard that (insert drug here) works really well for that! Would that work for me?"

The big benefit (at least monetarily) from the US having socialised medicine* would be that prescriptions would be written with cost effectiveness in mind, rather than brand awareness causing people to request a medication which costs much more than the generic form. Even the brand name drugs would likely become cheaper over time, because there wouldn't be billion dollar ad budgets assigned to Zoloft or Viagra. It would result in higher taxes ( although that could be minimalized if pork-barrel spending was made a criminal offence and lobbyists outlawed, but that's wishful thinking.) and there would be waiting lists for certain procedures. However, people wouldn't have to wait until things have gone crazy for fear of racking up medical bills, and preventative care is cheaper than waiting until you've become a giant walking tumour to visit the doctor.

*Side effects of socialised medicine in the US include statues of Glenn Beck weeping blood and SnusOn's conservative posters having an apoplectic fit of rage.

[sgreger1]

I support a one payer system more than I do this new law.

I think there are smarter ways to do it, but nowadays it's either all government or no government and while I am completely convinced the gov ruins everything it touches, I would rather have just paid a little higher taxes and gotten 'free" health care as opposed to this.


The irony of this whole thing is that Obama took the conservative HC reform ideas and called them his own, then ragged on conservatives. i mean mccain was for the mandate, and during the campaign, Obama said he felt it would be unconstitutional for a mandate. And at the end of the day, this new system is really just a similar version of "RomneyCare" in Massachusetts and republicans have been pushing the ideas included in this new bill for decades.

But and even BIGGER irony, is that the republicans forgot all of that and are now saying it's a communist takeover. Rofl, politics is so hilarious and corrupt it defies words.


Long story short, Obama fails again, republicans are still the party of no, business as usual.

[truthwolf1]

CNN article about a guy taking off for a much cheaper surgery. From the begining my questions have always been how is this going to fix the costs of healthcare. The whole system here is a ovepriced scam. How is this change? Is it going to become the norm to take off to another country for the best priced surgery? Like I once said make sure you have another 100,000 dollars somewhere for when you get sick.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/04/26...ex.html?hpt=C1

[Veganpunk]

It does do a few good things, but it is NOT Universal Health Care like he said he would do.

[sgreger1]

Democrats ready insurance price controls to offset the huge insurance premium hikes Obamacare will trigger that they swore up and down Obamacare wouldn't trigger

[joshua]

The best will be in 10 or 20 years when the Republicans are trying to get elected by saying Democrats are trying to take away their Obamacare.

[sgreger1]

The best will be in 10 or 20 years when the Republicans are trying to get elected by saying Democrats are trying to take away their Obamacare.

I doubt it will beat 20 years ago when they were pushing for a mandate, and now call it communism. Oh, and Mccain campaigned on a mandate and Obama harshly opposed it. The hypocrisy on both sides is laughable. The gap between the two parties closes with each election cycle. I expect in november it will have been reduced to all the candidates on both sides sending out a campaign template where they just change the names on each flyer they put out, but all promising the same thing.

I will lower deficits
I will fix immigration
I will stop the wars.

These parties have been in charge since forever, yet the deficit goes up steadily each year (despite both sides constantly campaigning to low it). They are either powerless or corrupt, and I am fairly confident that they are not powerless.

[truthwolf1]

I just found out I have to pay $800 dollars for sending my daughter in a ambulance to the hospital. Our Health Insurance paid half of the $1600 dollar bill.
The moral of the story is unless you have fallen and cannot get up drive yourself even if you have accidentally cut one of your arms off.

Continuing this type of healthcare is a f@#$king joke!

[sgreger1]

I just found out I have to pay $800 dollars for sending my daughter in a ambulance to the hospital. Our Health Insurance paid half of the $1600 dollar bill.
The moral of the story is unless you have fallen and cannot get up drive yourself even if you have accidentally cut one of your arms off.

Continuing this type of healthcare is a f@#$king joke!

Worst Hc policy ever. I've never had a policy that charges more then $50 per ambulance visit. Sucks man.

Oh, and enjoy when your mandated to buy a better policy out of your own money in 2012.

[truthwolf1]

I know!
Maybe I should get a Homeland Security position! I bet they are taken care of.

[Bigblue1]

I know!
Maybe I should get a Homeland Security position! I bet they are taken care of.

If you did, get a HS position, Is your soul Black enough to do the job?????

[danielan]

Continuing this type of healthcare is a f@#$king joke!

LOL, if it makes you feel better, I just spent $3500 for a machine to blow air in my mouth while I sleep.

If I had to do it over again, I would have just bought everything off the internet grey market and done it all myself.