Tax

[sgreger1]

List of taxes in effect today: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largestmiddle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened?


Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (indirect taxes)
Dog License Tax
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel permit tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax Interest expense(tax on the money)
Inventory tax IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax)
IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone federal excise tax
Telephone federal universal service fee tax
Telephone federal, state and local surcharge taxes
Telephone minimum usage surcharge tax
Telephone recurring and non-recurring charges tax
Telephone state and local tax
Telephone usage charge tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines (indirect taxation)
Trailer registration tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

[Darwin]

What happened is that the current list of state and federal bureaucracies is many times longer than a list from 1910 would be.

[olderthandirt]

+ 10 on that answer Darwin!

Never forget folks, the size of the federal government is only as large as we want it to be. As large as we have allowed it to be...

[sgreger1]

+ 10 on that answer Darwin!

Never forget folks, the size of the federal government is only as large as we want it to be. As large as we have allowed it to be...

I wish that were true, but no matter who we elect they just keep growing it. It hasn't shrank for, since, well.. um.. i'd have to read a lot of history books to find a time when it shrank, if ever.

The largest growing job sector is for government employees, the problem with that is that it provides a paycheck for Americans but doesn't create wealth. And with a tab like ours, we need to be making a lot of money quickly.

[sgreger1]

Why did it say Judge Faust posted the 5th post and then when I come in here theres no post, then it goes away on the PATWAU section too?

I was so excited for an authentic Judge Faust Post.

[Judge Faust]

Why did it say Judge Faust posted the 5th post and then when I come in here theres no post, then it goes away on the PATWAU section too?

I was so excited for an authentic Judge Faust Post.

I'm not sure, friend. I can only guess that censorship is upon us. Luckily, I save before posting, so here it is again:

[FONT=Trebuchet MS]List of taxes in effect today: Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and our nation was the most prosperous in the world, had absolutely no national debt, had the largestmiddle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. What the hell happened?

"Wow, really? None of those existed 100 years ago, and everything was awesome? What an awesome example of perfectly logical causation! I would like to play this game as well... Ahem:

20 million years ago, dinosaurs roamed the Earth. There was no gun crime, suicide bombing, or insider trading. What happened?

Oh, and the US has been in debt since the very Revolution; in 1910, it owed nearly 3 billion dollars. And the federal income tax has been around since the Civil War. So, yeah..."

[f. bandersnatch]

Causation!

Really I just want to see if I can embed images without screwing up.

But honestly, things were better at the start of the twentieth century?

[Judge Faust]

Heh. The flying spaghetti monster soars again?

[sgreger1]

I'm not sure, friend. I can only guess that censorship is upon us. Luckily, I save before posting, so here it is again:



"Wow, really? None of those existed 100 years ago, and everything was awesome? What an awesome example of perfectly logical causation! I would like to play this game as well... Ahem:

20 million years ago, dinosaurs roamed the Earth. There was no gun crime, suicide bombing, or insider trading. What happened?

Oh, and the US has been in debt since the very Revolution; in 1910, it owed nearly 3 billion dollars. And the federal income tax has been around since the Civil War. So, yeah..."

Ah, my Russian friend is back! How do you like the new forum? Takes a second to get used to but it's pretty nice I guess.

Anyways,

"20 million years ago, dinosaurs roamed the Earth. There was no gun crime, suicide bombing, or insider trading. What happened?"

I have a feeling humans had something to do with that


As for the rest, yes the US has always been in some sort of debt, but it was always at least manageable for a good part of our history. The Revenue Act of 1861 was the first federal income tax, (3% on income over $800). At the beginning of the last century, a man was able to live off one income, now the man and woman must both make a decent wage just to live a middle class life.

Mainly all the wars get most of the blame, which is why I cannot believe we have not left Iraq and Afghanistan yet given our current economic crisis. World War I increased the Debt by $25 Billion. The Great Depression increased the Debt by $33 Billion and World War II increased the Debt by $222 Billion. The Clinton "peace time" years increased the Debt by $1,200 Billion. Bush just stopped counting and started writing blank checks and Obama ordered more blank checks after him. I doubt our next leaders will do any better.


I have no problem with taxes as long as there is a return on investment. I get it that we have roads and cops and an army and everything, but in europe they pay high taxes and in return get free healthcare and pensions etc. Here we just get a mandate to buy a "good" insurance plan, and higher taxes. Every time they want to raise taxes for some reason, the tax never goes away. In PA they still charge an 18% (or somewhere close to that) tax on liquor to pay for some flood that happened in the 1800's.

[sgreger1]

Causation!

Really I just want to see if I can embed images without screwing up.

But honestly, things were better at the start of the twentieth century?

It's a matter of opinion and personal preference I guess. In my mind it was better then, but not because of tax reasons. Dollar was worth something (well, that would soon change after the depression) and husband and wife didn't both have to get a college degree and work full time to live in a semi-decent neighborhood and feed their kids.

And everyone knows pirates cause global warming, i've been saying this for years.

[sgreger1]

Date Amount
09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62
09/30/2002 6,228,235,965,597.16
09/28/2001 5,807,463,412,200.06
09/30/2000 5,674,178,209,886.86
09/30/1999 5,656,270,901,615.43
09/30/1998 5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 4,692,749,910,013.32
09/30/1993 4,411,488,883,139.38
09/30/1992 4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 2,125,302,616,658.42
12/31/1985 1,945,941,616,459.88
12/31/1984 1,662,966,000,000.00 *
12/31/1983 1,410,702,000,000.00 *
12/31/1982 1,197,073,000,000.00 *
12/31/1981 1,028,729,000,000.00 *
12/31/1980 930,210,000,000.00 *
12/31/1979 845,116,000,000.00 *
12/29/1978 789,207,000,000.00 *
12/30/1977 718,943,000,000.00 *
12/31/1976 653,544,000,000.00 *
12/31/1975 576,649,000,000.00 *
12/31/1974 492,665,000,000.00 *
12/31/1973 469,898,039,554.70
12/29/1972 449,298,066,119.00
12/31/1971 424,130,961,959.95
12/31/1970 389,158,403,690.26
12/31/1969 368,225,581,254.41
12/31/1968 358,028,625,002.91
12/29/1967 344,663,009,745.18
12/30/1966 329,319,249,366.68
12/31/1965 320,904,110,042.04
12/31/1964 317,940,472,718.38
12/31/1963 309,346,845,059.17
12/31/1962 303,470,080,489.27
12/29/1961 296,168,761,214.92
12/30/1960 290,216,815,241.68
12/31/1959 290,797,771,717.63
12/31/1958 282,922,423,583.87
12/31/1957 274,897,784,290.72
12/31/1956 276,627,527,996.11
12/30/1955 280,768,553,188.96
12/31/1954 278,749,814,391.33
12/31/1953 275,168,120,129.39
06/30/1953 266,071,061,638.57
06/30/1952 259,105,178,785.43
06/29/1951 255,221,976,814.93
06/30/1950 257,357,352,351.04
06/30/1949 252,770,359,860.33
06/30/1948 252,292,246,512.99
06/30/1947 258,286,383,108.67
06/28/1946 269,422,099,173.26
06/30/1945 258,682,187,409.93
06/30/1944 201,003,387,221.13
06/30/1943 136,696,090,329.90
06/30/1942 72,422,445,116.22
06/30/1941 48,961,443,535.71
06/29/1940 42,967,531,037.68
06/30/1939 40,439,532,411.11
06/30/1938 37,164,740,315.45
06/30/1937 36,424,613,732.29
06/30/1936 33,778,543,493.73
06/29/1935 28,700,892,624.53
06/30/1934 27,053,141,414.48
06/30/1933 22,538,672,560.15
06/30/1932 19,487,002,444.13
06/30/1931 16,801,281,491.71
06/30/1930 16,185,309,831.43
06/29/1929 16,931,088,484.10
06/30/1928 17,604,293,201.43
06/30/1927 18,511,906,931.85
06/30/1926 19,643,216,315.19
06/30/1925 20,516,193,887.90
06/30/1924 21,250,812,989.49
06/30/1923 22,349,707,365.36
06/30/1922 22,963,381,708.31
06/30/1921 23,977,450,552.54
07/01/1920 25,952,456,406.16
07/01/1919 27,390,970,113.12
07/01/1918 14,592,161,414.00
07/01/1917 5,717,770,279.52
07/01/1916 3,609,244,262.16
07/01/1915 3,058,136,873.16
07/01/1914 2,912,499,269.16
07/01/1913 2,916,204,913.66
07/01/1912 2,868,373,874.16
07/01/1911 2,765,600,606.69
07/01/1910 2,652,665,838.04
07/01/1909 2,639,546,241.04
07/01/1908 2,626,806,271.54
07/01/1907 2,457,188,061.54
07/01/1906 2,337,161,839.04
07/01/1905 2,274,615,063.84
07/01/1904 2,264,003,585.14
07/01/1903 2,202,464,781.89
07/01/1902 2,158,610,445.89
07/01/1901 2,143,326,933.89
07/01/1900 2,136,961,091.67



As you can see, our children will be well acquainted with the term "quadrillion" when they speak of the national debt in the future. Theres no way this is sustainable.

[Snusdog]

Oh, and the US has been in debt since the very Revolution

I have no dog in this hunt nor care to........................just thought ya'll might want to know.................

In 1835, under President Andrew Jackson, the national debt was totally paid off, and for a brief period, the United States was debt free

[sgreger1]

In 1835, under President Andrew Jackson, the national debt was totally paid off, and for a brief period, the United States was debt free

I imagine that lasted until congress woke up from their beds the next morning and were made aware of this great tragedy, and then immediately sought to remedy it.


http://usdebtclock.org/

[olderthandirt]

+ 10 on that answer Darwin!

Never forget folks, the size of the federal government is only as large as we want it to be. As large as we have allowed it to be...

I wish that were true, but no matter who we elect they just keep growing it. It hasn't shrank for, since, well.. um.. i'd have to read a lot of history books to find a time when it shrank, if ever.

The largest growing job sector is for government employees, the problem with that is that it provides a paycheck for Americans but doesn't create wealth. And with a tab like ours, we need to be making a lot of money quickly.

What in that statement is not true?
Rather than making candidate decisions by selecting names recognized from the cover of People or determining what bills to support based on what talk-show hosts have to say about them, the sheeple could cause change if they made some effort to get involved.

On any level.

Take the time to just try and understand what they are voting on.

I bridled when I first heard the term sheeple but I've since come to believe it's an all too apt description of the American electorate.

No, we have the government we have chosen, the one we have allowed to develop.

[Snusdog]

I imagine that lasted until congress woke up from their beds the next morning and were made aware of this great tragedy, and then immediately sought to remedy it.

Lasted until the severe recession/depression of 1836 if my memory serves me correctly. Regardless, the no debt status was very short lived. However, the debt though not a zero was at very low amounts for a period both before 1835 and (I think) after.