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  • shikitohno
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    • Jul 2009
    • 1156

    Are we still truly a two party nation?

    For all the hemming and hawing between Democrats and Republicans, we're becoming more and more a one party, totalitarian country. While each group holds on to a platform slightly different from the other, I'm feeling like both have been in power so long they've forgotten entirely about the people they're supposed to serve and are simply helping themselves instead. The difference between the two are boiling down to a handful of issues, like abortion, gun control, immigration and welfare, but when the laws actually get put down, both sides just work to write something to ensure they get elected next term and stay in power.

    Although I disagree with their policies, I think if the Tea Party movement were to abandon the GOP and become a party in its own right, they'd be doing exactly what we need to have done now. You can talk all you want about the Libertarian Party or the Socialist Party of the USA, but how many of their candidates have been elected? I feel as if what the country needs now is for more movements like the Tea Party movement to be established from all ranges of political thought that maintain their independence from the Republicans and Democrats and campaign as parties of their own.

    I've been thinking about this since sgreger1 said a while ago "Why is it you liberals always think conservatives are wrong?" First, I personally don't think that. Neither side is going to be 100% right ever. But the current dichotomy entrenches this mindset that one group is 100% right and the other is 100% wrong, with no middle ground, ever. Which is asinine. It should be painfully obvious to everyone that each side is going to have some great ideas, so okay ones, and some ideas they're going to want to pretend nobody ever mentioned they were so stupid. I think having four or five parties that actually had some sort of power would go a long way towards breaking down this system. With that many conflicting view points, it becomes more obvious that each side can contribute something, and I think asinine legislation like the PACT Act or bans on baggy pants could be avoided, or at least we could soften the blow somewhat. As the situation is now, we've got two groups of rich assholes who live lives totally out of touch with the people they represent, putting on a show of fighting each other, but they each have the others back whenever they see a major threat to their money or power.

    That, and I hate the US media. They further exacerbate the problem, because they only show the biggest assholes, who are having the biggest pissing contest from either side. So, each group comes away from the news thinking the other is crazy, ignoring the sane, rational people who have well though out reasons for voting the way they do. Glenn Beck acts like if you voted for Obama then it stands to reason that you eat Christian babies for breakfast and use their blood to draw pentagrams on churches. I'm sure there's some liberal jerk out there with a radio show who acts like if you voted for George W. then you probably use panda slave labour to run your planet killing oil rig in a national park.

    Anyone else who would like to see a big change in the current system of government?
  • tom502
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #2
    I agree, and I think the Tea Party has a good possible ability to be the 1st real 3rd party with some some electing ability. It may morph into that.

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    • lxskllr
      Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 13435

      #3
      I'd like to see a worldwide catastrophe, and we all go back to our tribal roots with only the vaguest recollection how to create technology. There's too many people for government to work. We aren't wired that way, and big government of any kind will fail 100% of the time. The real problem is there's too many people. Every single one our problems can be boiled down to that.

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      • tom502
        Member
        • Feb 2009
        • 8985

        #4
        I agree. If there are 4000 people unemployed, and there are 500 open jobs, then we have 3500 too many people. This is why the 3rd world nations like in Africa are in such a pit, they keep reproducing, yet have no food, or any social structure.

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
          I'd like to see a worldwide catastrophe, and we all go back to our tribal roots with only the vaguest recollection how to create technology. There's too many people for government to work. We aren't wired that way, and big government of any kind will fail 100% of the time. The real problem is there's too many people. Every single one our problems can be boiled down to that.

          This is what it all boils down to. No government can be efficient enough to keep several hundred million people happy. Too many people, all fighting for their own self intirests can lead to nothing but ruin. If our forefathers ran the world today, we would be drawing joker faces on their pictures and burning themin effigy like we do our current leaders.


          Don't worry about the catastrophe LX, once someone figures out how to set off an EMP over here that will happen on it's own lol.

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          • sgreger1
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            As for Shikitohno's post, your right but that will never happen if we don't fix campaign finance. The money is what gets people elected, to fix the system we must:


            1)Have caps on compaign financing, or a general fund where people may donate and it is split evenly amongst all candidates

            2)Have elections more often, end of no term limits, that way it is always "election year". That's the only time they listen and get shit done is right before elections, so make them always in election mode. Right now they get elected, then know they are in for 4 years (or however many years) and no one can stop them from doing whatever they want. Make it so that if they do something we don't like, they only have one more year to live before we kick them out.

            But mainly campaign finance reform, whoever has the money can buy out a seat in government. That needs to change. If the money issue were not there, you would see a LOT more 3rd party candidates get elected, which is what this nation needs.

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            • danielan
              Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1514

              #7
              Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
              If our forefathers ran the world today, we would be drawing joker faces on their pictures and burning themin effigy like we do our current leaders.
              We did totally do that when they were in power. Sure, 200 years later no one remembers, but, like Billy Joel sang, "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrows not as bad as it seems."

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              • AtreyuKun
                Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 1223

                #8
                Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                I'd like to see a worldwide catastrophe, and we all go back to our tribal roots with only the vaguest recollection how to create technology. There's too many people for government to work. We aren't wired that way, and big government of any kind will fail 100% of the time. The real problem is there's too many people. Every single one our problems can be boiled down to that.
                This. That's why I not only do not fear a 2012 scenario or hard core EMP bomb, I welcome it. The world needs one big fat control alt delete.

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                • danielan
                  Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1514

                  #9
                  Originally posted by AtreyuKun View Post
                  This. That's why I not only do not fear a 2012 scenario or hard core EMP bomb, I welcome it. The world needs one big fat control alt delete.
                  http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/18/sc...html?ref=books

                  "The first school despairs because it foresees inevitable ruin. The second school is hopeful — but only because these intellectuals foresee ruin, too, and can hardly wait for the decadent modern world to be replaced by one more to their liking. Every now and then, someone comes along to note that society has failed to collapse and might go on prospering, but the notion is promptly dismissed in academia as happy talk from a simpleton. Predicting that the world will not end is also pretty good insurance against a prolonged stay on the best-seller list."

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                  • truthwolf1
                    Member
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 2696

                    #10
                    Originally posted by AtreyuKun View Post
                    This. That's why I not only do not fear a 2012 scenario or hard core EMP bomb, I welcome it. The world needs one big fat control alt delete.
                    That's what flouride, modified food, vaccines, chemtrails and dna specific weopons and viruse's are for! Dont worry it is all planned out for us.

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                    • danielan
                      Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 1514

                      #11
                      Fluoridation

                      Fluoridation you say?

                      Might I suggest a movie?

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove

                      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/

                      General Jack D. Ripper: Mandrake, do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk... ice cream. Ice cream, Mandrake, children's ice cream.

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Lord, Jack.

                      General Jack D. Ripper: You know when fluoridation first began?

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: I... no, no. I don't, Jack.

                      General Jack D. Ripper: Nineteen hundred and forty-six. Nineteen forty-six, Mandrake. How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake:
                      Uh, Jack, Jack, listen, tell me, tell me, Jack. When did you first... become... well, develop this theory?

                      General Jack D. Ripper: Well, I, uh... I... I... first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love.

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

                      General Jack D. Ripper: Yes, a uh, a profound sense of fatigue... a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I... I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence.

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: Hmm.

                      General Jack D. Ripper: I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women uh... women sense my power and they seek the life essence. I, uh... I do not avoid women, Mandrake.

                      Group Capt. Lionel Mandrake: No.

                      General Jack D. Ripper: But I... I do deny them my essence.

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                      • truthwolf1
                        Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 2696

                        #12
                        Great flick! It has been awhile and will have to watch it again. Not sure if it was in that movie but there was line about not ever drinking any water unless it was boiled.

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                        • danielan
                          Member
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 1514

                          #13
                          Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
                          Great flick! It has been awhile and will have to watch it again. Not sure if it was in that movie but there was line about not ever drinking any water unless it was boiled.
                          Yea, that's a better quote anyway:

                          Ripper: Mandrake?
                          Mandrake: Yes, Jack?
                          Ripper: Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water?
                          Mandrake: Well, I can't say I have.
                          Ripper: Vodka, that's what they drink, isn't it? Never water?
                          Mandrake: Well, I-I believe that's what they drink, Jack, yes.
                          Ripper: On no account will a Commie ever drink water, and not without good reason.
                          Mandrake: Oh, eh, yes. I, uhm, can't quite see what you're getting at, Jack.
                          Ripper: Water, that's what I'm getting at, water. Mandrake, water is the source of all life. Seven-tenths of this earth's surface is water. Why, do you realize that seventy percent of you is water?
                          Mandrake: Uh, uh, Good Lord!
                          Ripper: And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.
                          Mandrake: Yes. (he begins to chuckle nervously)
                          Ripper: Are you beginning to understand?
                          Mandrake: Yes. (more laughter)
                          Ripper: Mandrake. Mandrake, have you never wondered why I drink only distilled water, or rain water, and only pure-grain alcohol?
                          Mandrake: Well, it did occur to me, Jack, yes.
                          Ripper: Have you ever heard of a thing called fluoridation. Fluoridation of water?
                          Mandrake: Uh? Yes, I-I have heard of that, Jack, yes. Yes.
                          Ripper: Well, do you know what it is?
                          Mandrake: No, no I don't know what it is, no.
                          Ripper: Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous Communist plot we have ever had to face?

                          This exchange is immediately before the one above.

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                          • sgreger1
                            Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 9451

                            #14
                            Fluoridation is unnecessary at best. Secondly, fluoridation of the water was routine in both Nazi and Communist labor camps, it keeps you docile. There are lots of studies on it. I don't know that it's some evil conspiracy, or just moral busybodies trying to help the dental hygiene of poor people, but adding shit to the water is unecessary. There should be a law against adding any additive to the water that supposedly performs some public good. Did you know they add lithium to the water in some cities? They claim it reduces the suicide rate. They are pooring anti-depressants into the water. And yet they tell me I am destroying the planet by breathing C02.

                            Fluroide is a waste product anyways, the only reason they do it is because the manufacturers need to get rid fo the shit and someone convinced government to buy it.

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                            • truthwolf1
                              Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2696

                              #15
                              I bet they dont use fluoridation in GREECE.

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