Are we still truly a two party nation?

[sgreger1]

I bet they dont use fluoridation in GREECE.

Actually they do. I just think it's stupid to put things in the water that have side effects. Additives have no place in the water. You can buy fluroide supplements if you feel your not getting enough (our Dr. wanted us to put fluoride in our newborns bottle). Does anyone remember that general who, on-trial after cold war said that they had used floridation to suppress people and it had the added benefit that it required large amounts of fluoride to be stored next to large water channels, so if things got bad they could dump all the stored fluoride in the water all at once to kill people.

[danielan]

LOL

http://www.dentalwatch.org/fl/spock.html

http://www.ada.org/sections/professi...tion_facts.pdf

It's < 1ppm - this isn't Prozac - well, it kind of is, but it's like licking the outside of the prescription bottle hoping for a bit of dust, not taking a pill. Besides, it occurs at these levels or higher in the natural water of the US South West and we don't think people in the South West are particularly docile do we?

How do you feel about iodine supplementation, fortified breads, cereals and milk, or preventing scurvy with vitamin c?

Is chlorine ok or should we go back to drinking straight from the rivers? (bacteria are natural - so they are healthy for us right?)

The great thing is, we don't have to test these theories here in the US. You could travel to any number of 3rd world countries and enjoy poor dental health, intestinal infections and all of the other joys from natural brown tap water!

Something tells me I shouldn't ask about the moon landings, or that wild "Spherical Earth" theory around here.

[sgreger1]

LOL

http://www.dentalwatch.org/fl/spock.html

http://www.ada.org/sections/professi...tion_facts.pdf

It's < 1ppm - this isn't Prozac - well, it kind of is, but it's like licking the outside of the prescription bottle hoping for a bit of dust, not taking a pill. Besides, it occurs at these levels or higher in the natural water of the US South West and we don't think people in the South West are particularly docile do we?

How do you feel about iodine supplementation, fortified breads, cereals and milk, or preventing scurvy with vitamin c?

Is chlorine ok or should we go back to drinking straight from the rivers? (bacteria are natural - so they are healthy for us right?)

The great thing is, we don't have to test these theories here in the US. You could travel to any number of 3rd world countries and enjoy poor dental health, intestinal infections and all of the other joys from natural brown tap water!

Something tells me I shouldn't ask about the moon landings, or that wild "Spherical Earth" theory around here.

Lol, i'm not saying there is some conspiracy theory, just saying it's unnecessary. It does have good dental benefits and can increase dental health between 24-40% depending on what study you look at. In a third world country I could understand it, the cost/benefit scneario is different there. Here in the states we don't need to be putting shit like that in the water, we all have toothbushes here. The amount they put in is not a lot and is intended to supplement the fluoride that is naturally occuring in water.


"I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member of the Communist Party and the Young Communist League, from May 2, 1936, to October 9, 1939. During this period of time, I operated under the alias of John Keats with number 18-B-2. My testimony before the Government is in Volume 9 of the Un-American Activities Report for 1939. "While a member of the Communist Party, I attended Communist training schools in New York and Wisconsin ... and we were trained in the revolutionary overthrow of the U.S. Government. "... We discussed quite thoroughly the fluoridation of water supplies and how we were using it in Russia as a tranquilizer in the prison camps. The leaders of our school felt that if it could be induced into the American water supply, it would bring about a spirit of lethargy in the nation, where it could keep the general public docile during a steady encroachment of Communism. We also discussed the fact that keeping a store of deadly fluoride near the water reservoir would be advantageous during the time of the revolution, as it would give us opportunity to dump this poison into the water supply and either kill off the populace or threaten them with liquidation, so that they would surrender to obtain fresh water.

[danielan]

"I, Oliver Kenneth Goff, was a member...

Sure, but there is a huge difference between me offering you an apple when you are hungry and me trying to poison you with arsenic.

It's a question of doseage.

1ppm fluoride in water carefully added and monitored is a lot different then a psychoactive dose surreptitiously added to our water supply by foreign agents.

Even with our fancy toothbrushes, the lack of fluoride tends to increase the amount of tooth decay in an area.

[sgreger1]

Yah the dosage for us is low, not relaly harmfull. Just kind of troubling that it was used for nefarious purposes in higher doses. Same thing with putting lithium in the water to prevent suicides, unnecessary.


Edit: Has anyone ever drank the water in mexico? Let me knew when they start putting shit in our water that does that to your stomach and i'll start worrying.

[truthwolf1]

According to this site they dont but it all sounds sketchy.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/RFW-nations.htm

I guess my question is that if it really is such a minimal dose then why the hell put it in the water in the first place? If you are telling me it will not harm anybody then you are also telling me the dose is so small it will not do anything either.

[sgreger1]

According to this site they dont but it all sounds sketchy.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/RFW-nations.htm

I guess my question is that if it really is such a minimal dose then why the hell put it in the water in the first place? If you are telling me it will not harm anybody then you are also telling me the dose is so small it will not do anything either.

Fluoride is naturally occuring and there is a small amount already in the water. In some pleaces no fluoridation is needed because the natural levels are high enough. In other areas (most areas), they supplement it by pouring it into the water.

THere's nothing really sinister about it right now, it's just like my argument with lithium, this is something that in higher doses has a very significant and very real effect on the brain, and different people drink different doses of water.

For example, pregnant women drink more water, so they are getting more than the normal cross section of society is getting. I drink a lot of water, way more than the normal person probably does. This means that I am subject to more than the recommended dose. That is my argument against it. At low doses it's not bad, but at high doses it is, so now every time you drink a glss of water, you have to treat it like your taking a medication and be sure not to take too much.

[victoryredchevy]

We are a two party system because people, the voters, have allowed it. Third party candidates are always on the ballot, locally and nationally. Then you can say, "well they don't get media attention, so nobody knows about them". Right? Wrong....you have to think for yourself and do your own damn research if you REALLY care about who your represntatives are. Stop relying on the mega media for your choice of reps and stop taking the RIGHT to vote for granted. Also, "American society", as a mass, has gotten dumber and dumber and just doesn't care if its not 16 and Pregnant or the new Iphone(just easy examples).You'll NEVER elect someone that totally pleases you, much less everyone. But electing people with, at least, common sense is EASY. They're out there. You've just gotta find them, sometimes on your own. THE MAJOR PROBLEM is.....people cant get together as a whole and make a difference as one united group, at least here in America. There are people here that are literally clammering for communism/socialism whatever, so everythings "free" and they can cast their responsibilities to the wind. People can't come together for one thing in this nation. It's going to take a big steamy stream of piss in the face to slap America in the face and back to reality.

[sgreger1]

you have to think for yourself and do your own damn research if you REALLY care about who your represntatives are. Stop relying on the mega media for your choice of reps and stop taking the RIGHT to vote for granted.

See theres your problem right there, most people don't carewho their representatives are, very few actually follow politics, let alone actually do research on candidates. Most people are too busy with life. This is where the mega media comes in, because if you have enough money, you can pay to get your name on the airwaves. This means that it will reach all those people who will no be researching. If they hear your name enough, they'll vote for you.

Left/Right have a lot of money behind them, the 3rd parties to not. something like 60% of voters are going to vote for whoever in their party's name they have heard the most. Democracy only works if you have an enformed electorate, and we do not.